Authentic Svoemesto Kayfun Prime

[vapdivrr]

I just hope they dont pack it in like provape. I love SM and do think they produce some of the best rtas in the world and I will forever follow and support them, but I do see a change. Maybe this change is a fad or perhaps it's only happening where I see it and is not indicative to the majority or the rest of the world, but imo I'm just not so sure that the way things are going that making hi end rtas can further support them.

I think you're right, Divrr. If they don't have some great stuff in the works, SM could be headed for trouble, unless they want to be a very low volume, high priced boutique product for loyalists. Once upon a time, they were the king of mtl - fantastic, innovative products that were far better than anything out there. They lost some time and ground with the over engineered V4, alienated many loyalists with V5, and tried to reclaim them, with fair success, I guess, with Prime.

But the market has changed dramatically in even just the last year. Prior to that, sub-ohm took over the world, and is now showing signs of ebbing while juul and countless pods are capturing market. Fewer people are interested in building, because they don't have to to get a great vape. In just the last couple of years, more than a few very good, well made, top performing (lower priced) mtl tanks have been killing it. And most of those designs use fewer parts, require less fiddling, and are easier to use. Increased competition will keep cost down, and I think the days of $100+ high end atties are numbered. FDA fears notwithstanding, vaping is capturing a lot of attention, and will attract players with big budget designers, engineers, and marketing, catering to a large market that wants low cost, satisfying simplicity. I expect vaping in some form to explode in the near future even more than many of us could have imagined even a year ago.

I was a Kayfun guy myself, and might be smoking cigarettes today without them, so I owe them a debt of gratitude. But hey - they don't hold the sway they did even a year or so ago. Right now, I'm hitting an authentic atty that can be had for as low as $22.00 new, and delivers a vape (for me) far superior to Kayfun's, and is easier to use. And it is replacing an atty that cost even less, and lasted close to a year of daily use without a drop of leaking, gurgle, no orings replaced, never a sub-par build that just didn't cut it- never an issue. Next year, there will likely be more good choices. Sorry, I know this will ruffle a few feathers here on this thread, but it is the only active Kayfun thread, so...

All that said, I do hope they stay relevant, and come up with the next latest and greatest thing.

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[Bronze]

I just hope they dont pack it in like provape. I love SM and do think they produce some of the best rtas in the world and I will forever follow and support them, but I do see a change. Maybe this change is a fad or perhaps it's only happening where I see it and is not indicative to the majority or the rest of the world, but imo I'm just not so sure that the way things are going that making hi end rtas can further support them.

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Something about SM that tells me they are happy being a niche atty maker (or boutique as described earler). That they limit their supply is an indication of that.

 

[Bronze]

And I haven’t said it in a long while but will say it again. Svoemesto was as big a game changer in how we vape as anybody. Everything that followed copied all or parts of the Kayfun design.

 

[Nailz]

There is a lot more MTL tanks nowadays and a lot cheaper, I have a box full of them, some can give a good vape, but they lack the quality of the prime, so many of these cheaper tanks start off good, then a week or 2 later they are leaking.

I’m not a kayfun fanboy till recently, always thought they was over priced, but I have spent 100’s of dollars on these cheap tanks, and now realize, I would of saved money if just went with Kayfun.

Saying that, it is the prime that works for me, since buying my 1st prime, also bought a kayfun V3 and 2 Kayfun v5’s (With MTL airports) and neither work for me as well as the prime.

I’m sure I will try the odd new MTL tank if really interest me, but going to be really good to knock the prime off top spot for me.

 

[Bronze]

There is a lot more MTL tanks nowadays and a lot cheaper, I have a box full of them, some can give a good vape, but they lack the quality of the prime, so many of these cheaper tanks start off good, then a week or 2 later they are leaking.

I’m not a kayfun fanboy till recently, always thought they was over priced, but I have spent 100’s of dollars on these cheap tanks, and now realize, I would of saved money if just went with Kayfun.

Saying that, it is the prime that works for me, since buying my 1st prime, also bought a kayfun V3 and 2 Kayfun v5’s (With MTL airports) and neither work for me as well as the prime.

I’m sure I will try the odd new MTL tank if really interest me, but going to be really good to knock the prime off top spot for me.

And it goes beyond the wasted money. Think of all the wasted time spent on a crappy vape and constantly fighting the thing.

 

[Nailz]

I’m very interested to see what they will come up with after the prime, the only thing I would like to see improved is the top fill, sometimes I really struggle to get the top cap off, be nice just to have a quarter turn open.

 

[Deemac]

I said it appears to me, as for facts, yep there right here in my back pocket. I am talking about svoemesto and rebuilding and when they came out with the first kayfun, I think a good portion of vapors back then were rebuilds because there weren't to many other options. Every year since, more and more options on drop ins has occurred and now with pods, I believe the percentage of the vapors who rebuild compared to those that dont, are nowhere near what they use to be. I see it out and about and see it here in the forums. Hell I only see about 1 percent of new vapors in the new members forum talking about rebuilding, where as years ago it was way more. You seriously dont see drop ins and pods taking over the majority?
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There's an enormous difference between "...It just seems no one rebuilds these days..." and "I believe the percentage of the vapors who rebuild compared to those that dont, are nowhere near what they use to be."
You've walked it back....I'm OK with that.

"You seriously dont see drop ins and pods taking over the majority?" I never even thought that let alone suggested it.

From where I sit, there's a broad spectrum of ways to get off and stay off the stinkies. Whatever works is good but let's not get into an argument about this, or indeed anything else by making sweeping statements.

If I had a drink beside me, I'd raise my glass to you, sadly, it's 4am where I am and if I start drinking at this time of the morning, I won't get any sleep.

 

[Bronze]

I think the vape on the KM3 is every bit as good as the Prime. I still use my KM3 on my Radius that I keep on my nightstand. Truthfully, I prefer the airflow setting on the mini as well. It’s buried inside and harder to adjust but it is less moving parts. Set it once and forget it. So no big deal. I use my Prime on my DNA because I prefer the compact profile.

 

[Bronze]

There's an enormous difference between "...It just seems no one rebuilds these days..." and "I believe the percentage of the vapors who rebuild compared to those that dont, are nowhere near what they use to be."
You've walked it back....I'm OK with that.

"You seriously dont see drop ins and pods taking over the majority?" I never even thought that let alone suggested it.

From where I sit, there's a broad spectrum of ways to get off and stay off the stinkies. Whatever works is good but let's not get into an argument about this, or indeed anything else by making sweeping statements.

If I had a drink beside me, I'd raise my glass to you, sadly, it's 4am where I am and if I start drinking at this time of the morning, I won't get any sleep.

I don’t see anyone getting into an argument.

 

[vapdivrr]

There's an enormous difference between "...It just seems no one rebuilds these days..." and "I believe the percentage of the vapors who rebuild compared to those that dont, are nowhere near what they use to be."
You've walked it back....I'm OK with that.

"You seriously dont see drop ins and pods taking over the majority?" I never even thought that let alone suggested it.

From where I sit, there's a broad spectrum of ways to get off and stay off the stinkies. Whatever works is good but let's not get into an argument about this, or indeed anything else by making sweeping statements.

If I had a drink beside me, I'd raise my glass to you, sadly, it's 4am where I am and if I start drinking at this time of the morning, I won't get any sleep.

Do you make a habit of reading people's opinions, then asking where are the facts? That makes no sense to me what so ever. If you said that you didnt think your prime was as good as your lite, would I reply and ask , "wheres your proof "? Most posts here are in fact opinions, so how or why would you say "let's see your proof"? Again, I said it seems, I never said it's a fact. So besides arguing with my opinion, you now say why are WE arguing....and although it's my opinion , I do believe what I said has validity in that more and more, rebuilding is becoming less and less popular.

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[vapdivrr]

I think the vape on the KM3 is every bit as good as the Prime. I still use my KM3 on my Radius that I keep on my nightstand. Truthfully, I prefer the airflow setting on the mini as well. It’s buried inside and harder to adjust but it is less moving parts. Set it once and forget it. So no big deal. I use my Prime on my DNA because I prefer the compact profile.

Me too. I seriously love the km3 and i actually vape it more then the prime, reason being, I have more km3's and take them out. Maybe it will wear off eventually, but for at least now, my primes still stay at home and dont get dirty.

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[HBcorpse]

There's an enormous difference between "...It just seems no one rebuilds these days..." and "I believe the percentage of the vapors who rebuild compared to those that dont, are nowhere near what they use to be."
You've walked it back....I'm OK with that.

"You seriously dont see drop ins and pods taking over the majority?" I never even thought that let alone suggested it.

From where I sit, there's a broad spectrum of ways to get off and stay off the stinkies. Whatever works is good but let's not get into an argument about this, or indeed anything else by making sweeping statements.

If I had a drink beside me, I'd raise my glass to you, sadly, it's 4am where I am and if I start drinking at this time of the morning, I won't get any sleep.

Do you make a habit of reading people's opinions, then asking where are the facts? That makes no sense to me what so ever. If you said that you didnt think your prime was as good as your lite, would I reply and ask , "wheres your proof "? Most posts here are in fact opinions, so how or why would you say "let's see your proof"? Again, I said it seems, I never said it's a fact. So besides arguing with my opinion, you now say why are WE arguing....and although it's my opinion , I do believe what I said has validity in that more and more, rebuilding is becoming less and less popular.

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I don’t see any argument brewing here, and maybe argument was the wrong word (used earlier)...?

Either way, facts or opinions, all that matters is:

-PERCEPTION IS REALITY-

If you asked ME to give the current “status” on the rebuilding matter, I would be very likely to state that NOBODY builds anymore...

Heck, I might even say that nobody vapes anymore...

Because of all the people I work with that DO vape, only one of them rebuilds...well, they DID rebuild their REO set-up every so often. But then a drop-in coil tank/mod combo took over their life and now they don’t touch their REO set-up.

That being said, outside of these forums, I don’t know anyone else who even vapes...which is odd, because even a year ago, it SEEMED to me that it was everywhere.

 

[Nailz]

I guess I must be doing something wrong with my KM3, as I don’t think the vape is as good as the prime, probably down to the airflow I would guess, but I have 3 prime’s now, so not really a need to mess with the KM3 anyway.

 

[Rockford]

I'm fairly new at vaping, and my prime was the first rebuildable I've ever owned and learned on, with a lot of youtube help. Even tho it's a clone it is a very solid tank and when you learn the wicking properly it's been an awsome vape. Now saying that ever since I got my Dvarw I feel bad as I haven't really picked up my prime in awhile now... I know I'll get back to it, but for now I'm really enjoying the Dvarw.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

You may very well be right about that $22 atty being superior to a Kayfun. I certainly believe you believe that. I might even believe it. But I’ve been disappointed trying other gear way too many times to even bother with it anymore. Besides, after putting countless miles on my various Kayfuns they still show zero signs of wear and tear so I have no need to try anything else.

Well, truth be told, Bronze - I've only had that one for a few days, so time will tell (can't find the fingers crossed emoji). And I didn't say it was a superior tank, but was delivering a superior vape - which, of course, couldn't be more subjective. I really wouldn't think it would outlast a Kayfun, but I'm sure that isn't their goal. But also truth be told- they're all pretty much metal and o-rings. If tolerances & materials are decent out of the box, I'd expect it to last a fairly long time, since we aren't talking the abuse some industrial or auto parts might take. And in this game, very few seem to be vaping what they did 3 or 4 years ago, so it should be fine until its replacement comes along. Now the doggy - bulletproof in design and wear, the wear being because of the design, is a little different. I'm definitely not trying to knock Kayfun - I agree with you that they changed the game, and I've got nothing but respect for them. I wouldn't try to tell anyone they're not good, or not worth it, if it works for them- that's the goal for all of us. I just hope SM keeps up with the changes in the game, even if they no longer lead it. It'd be kind of sad to see them become a footnote.

 

[Deemac]

Do you make a habit of reading people's opinions, then asking where are the facts? That makes no sense to me what so ever. If you said that you didnt think your prime was as good as your lite, would I reply and ask , "wheres your proof "? Most posts here are in fact opinions, so how or why would you say "let's see your proof"? Again, I said it seems, I never said it's a fact. So besides arguing with my opinion, you now say why are WE arguing....and although it's my opinion , I do believe what I said has validity in that more and more, rebuilding is becoming less and less popular.
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Firstly, let me apologize to users of this thread, it was not my intention that you should be subjected to such an unseemly discussion which has escalated to an unpleasant level.

It was my intention to come back and explain my thought processes to vapdivrr and apologize for my curiosity being misunderstood. I thought maybe he had an insight unbeknown to me, read an article, worked in a vape shop etc. However, it is obvious from his latest post that he is looking for more from me. This I will give just this once then for me the subject is closed.

“Do you make a habit of reading people's opinions, then asking where are the facts?” – No.

“If you said that you didnt think your prime was as good as your lite, would I reply and ask , "wheres your proof "?” – I have no idea whether you would, or would not.

“…so how or why would you say "let's see your proof"?” – I did not. (see para2)

“…you now say why are WE arguing” - No I didn’t, I said “let's not get into an argument about this”.

“I do believe what I said has validity in that more and more, rebuilding is becoming less and less popular.” – I have no problem with this.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Wanna know what really drives me nuts. You look at these reviews for tank and mods. Gets amazing reviews. So you drop the money, and total disappointment. I have a hard time believing reviews anymore. Wish I knew how much money I've wasted on junk vaping gear. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Provari, Svoemesto, and Dicodes.

I agree, my reviews come from users on the ECF.

 

[AstroTurf]

I think dropins suck and have myself gone thru a dropin phase.

Wrapping my own gives me the best flavor and value.

Jim

 

[Bronze]

I think dropins suck and have myself gone thru a dropin phase.

Wrapping my own gives me the best flavor and value.

Jim

Geez, the only "drop-ins I ever used came before rebuildables. I'm talking Vivi Novas and CE3s and the like. Those sucked. But I cannot account for aspire/nautilus/similar drop ins. Never used them.

 

[access0denied]

Geez, the only "drop-ins I ever used came before rebuildables. I'm talking Vivi Novas and CE3s and the like. Those sucked. But I cannot account for aspire/nautilus/similar drop ins. Never used them.

Nautilus wasn't a bad drop in. But.....after about 2 days, flavor just dropped, and just got worse from there. I would much rather spend 5-15 minutes to rewick the prime every other day, and have top notch flavor. Not to mention a small piece of cotton cost next to nothing vs 2-3 for a new coil every week or two. Did the Nova thing years ago when I first got into vaping, but didn't stick with the Nova for long. Was still trying to find what worked best at the time.