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I was looking over the Bible Study thread today. It seems that it's only been a few days since SC gave a lesson. Is he still interested in doing it?
Ok, thanks. I was discussing this last night with Christian friends (in addition to praying about it.) I feel that I should warn people that my approach to the Bible is different than that of SG (from what I saw of him). I believe that the Bible is the , God-breathed word of God who inspired men to write them down. It is inerrant in the original texts, but that God is also in the "inspiring translations business". I believe that it is true from the 1st chapter of Genesis to the last chapter of Revelation. It was not written in some kind of "secret code" that could only be deciphered by a select few. (Although we all need assistance in understanding certain passages from time to time.) It contains poetry, prose, proverbs, and prophecy and uses some of the tools of literature such as metaphors, similes, symbols, etc. Generally, when symbols are used, they are explained in the passage or they have been explained previously. If it makes plain sense when reading it, to try to find another sense for it would be nonsense. The book of Revelation contains much less "symbolism" than people think. It's not because of symbolism that they don't understand it, but because they don't believe it as it is written.
Anyway, let me know what you think. (Or anyone else that participates in the Bible study.)
Beautiful summary and I'm in complete and total agreement with you!
Sounds to me like you're a 'smoking hot' Chimney! (Not analog smoking.) I agree with everything you said. You can't take an apple and make it an orange. Makes perfect sense to me! This next week I'm gonna be busy busy busy, if I live through this Craft show. THEN, after I'm rich
laugh I will come back and spread the wealth. One penny for Lisa, one penny for Eve, $10.00 for Linda, yeah....right. I don't do it for the money. I've done it in the past for fun, but this year has not been too much. I should cancel, but I won't. I will see how it goes and if it's awful, I won't do it next year.....either that, or start in February for next year! LaChaim! Shalom! Wonderful Chimney!!!
Thank you so much! The main reason I liked having it written out is because then everyone is reading the same version, as there are so many translations of the Bible. I just want us all to read the same thing in the same wording. I forget now, what chapter of Mathew are we on? I could go back and check I guess...
I standing ovation for Chimney...I can even get my cat to stand on her back legs, it's the clapping she has trouble with, LOL!!
Again, thanks Chimney. This will be great! I am really looking forward to this again. Chimney, do you want to follow the same format of two chapters twice a week, or if that is too much for you to do we can do whatever you are comfortable with.
Be well,
Kelly
In God We Trust
Thank you so much! The main reason I liked having it written out is because then everyone is reading the same version, as there are so many translations of the Bible. I just want us all to read the same thing in the same wording. I forget now, what chapter of Mathew are we on? I could go back and check I guess...
I standing ovation for Chimney...I can even get my cat to stand on her back legs, it's the clapping she has trouble with, LOL!!
Again, thanks Chimney. This will be great! I am really looking forward to this again. Chimney, do you want to follow the same format of two chapters twice a week, or if that is too much for you to do we can do whatever you are comfortable with.
Be well,
Kelly
In God We Trust
Amen! I'm in agreement too! But look, not everyone is going to agree about everything, not even possible. But so what? If some of us disagree on somethings, who cares? Leave it up to God to sort it out. The main thing is that we use what He gave us, the bible. We have to atleast read it and try to figure it out, and the rest is up to Him.
We need someone to keep us organized and motivated, and I think you'll do a great job!!!!!!!! So when do we start?
I realize everyone is not going to agree on everything. BUT, and I think all of you will agree, if it blatantly goes against the Bible, I have a problem with that. I know we are denominations 2nd, and that is the way I look at it......we aren't all going to agree on the different doctrines taught in the different churches. But you have to stand on the Scriptures in the Bible, the prophesies taught, the promises taught, etc. Say for instance someone makes a post stating that Mary wasn't a virgin, or that she had been married once before Joseph, or that Jesus' body was stolen from the tomb, that He hadn't risen, or tries to take His deity away.....that changes everything. THAT has to be challenged, otherwise it's blasphemous. Now if you're talking about whether the wedding wine miracle that Jesus performed and one group says it's fermented grape juice versus real wine....the miracle was when Jesus took plain water and turned it into something else. I, for one, as a Southern Baptist, am supposed to believe it wasn't real wine. Well that's not what Scripture says. I'll stand with Scripture over doctrine. I take God's side over man's side, any day of the week. Am I making any sense? 
I realize everyone is not going to agree on everything. BUT, and I think all of you will agree, if it blatantly goes against the Bible, I have a problem with that. I know we are denominations 2nd, and that is the way I look at it......we aren't all going to agree on the different doctrines taught in the different churches. But you have to stand on the Scriptures in the Bible, the prophesies taught, the promises taught, etc. Say for instance someone makes a post stating that Mary wasn't a virgin, or that she had been married once before Joseph, or that Jesus' body was stolen from the tomb, that He hadn't risen, or tries to take His deity away.....that changes everything. THAT has to be challenged, otherwise it's blasphemous. Now if you're talking about whether the wedding wine miracle that Jesus performed and one group says it's fermented grape juice versus real wine....the miracle was when Jesus took plain water and turned it into something else. I, for one, as a Southern Baptist, am supposed to believe it wasn't real wine. Well that's not what Scripture says. I'll stand with Scripture over doctrine. I take God's side over man's side, any day of the week. Am I making any sense?
LOL! Why aren't you supposed to believe it was real wine??????
I realize everyone is not going to agree on everything. BUT, and I think all of you will agree, if it blatantly goes against the Bible, I have a problem with that. I know we are denominations 2nd, and that is the way I look at it......we aren't all going to agree on the different doctrines taught in the different churches. But you have to stand on the Scriptures in the Bible, the prophesies taught, the promises taught, etc. Say for instance someone makes a post stating that Mary wasn't a virgin, or that she had been married once before Joseph, or that Jesus' body was stolen from the tomb, that He hadn't risen, or tries to take His deity away.....that changes everything. THAT has to be challenged, otherwise it's blasphemous. Now if you're talking about whether the wedding wine miracle that Jesus performed and one group says it's fermented grape juice versus real wine....the miracle was when Jesus took plain water and turned it into something else. I, for one, as a Southern Baptist, am supposed to believe it wasn't real wine. Well that's not what Scripture says. I'll stand with Scripture over doctrine. I take God's side over man's side, any day of the week. Am I making any sense?
I'm non-denominational.
(I don't think that the wedding guests were drinking grape juice--it says wine, I believe that it was wine.) The other "arguments" that you brought up--Mary not being a virgin, Jesus not rising, etc, are generally arguments brought up by agnostics or who don't believe the Bible to be true. You won't hear any of that from me!Back to the Bible study. I'm not (and never have been) a seminary student. I just study the Bible "on my on" with the help of teachers whether in real life or online. I'm not as organized as SG. I don't have notes printed out or "prettied up" in outline form. I'm not sure yet how I'll go about this. I see that SG was doing 2 chapters a week. I'm not sure either where he left off. Let me look around this weekend and see what I can come up with.
I was also thinking of a "Bible Q & A Thread" where people could ask questions about their own readings. And I could give suggestions as to where to search and people could discuss them. I say this because it will soon be clear that I'm a "young earth creationist" and I wouldn't want to have the "bible study" thread derailed--but I'm willing to stand up for what I believe, i.e. the Bible is the truth from the beginning until the end.
And God said: Let there be lights (Hebrew: Maor or Meorah--a form of Mazzel) in the firmament (foundation) of the starry-heavens to divide the day from the night; And let them be for SIGNS, and for SEASONS, and for days (calendar), and for years. (Genesis 1:14)
God put the stars in the sky for signs--not to tell the future per se, but as a sign of his message of salvation from the beginning. It was called the "mazzaroth". I found this online:
The worldly calendar runs from January to January. But the Jewish civil calendar begins in Fall (September-October), much earlier. So, what are those constellations or SYMBOLS, beginning in the Fall (in the Hebrew order of things). And what do they mean, in Hebrew--and for Judeo-Christian Theology sake? Well, take a good look and see:
Constellation (Popular Symbol and Hebrew meaning)
Interpretation (Scriptural Reference)
1. VIRGO (The Virgin--Seed of Woman)
The Virgin Birth of the Messiah (Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 2:18-21)
2. LIBRA (Money Balance--Required Price Paid)
Messiah, our Redeemer, purchases our salvation--Atonement (Leviticus 17:11 and Romans 5:8-11)
3. SCORPIO (Scorpian--Sting of Death)
The Mortal (Deadly) Conflict--Messiah suffers in our place, on the Tree of Curses or Cross (Isaiah 53:1-12 and Galatians 3:13)
4. SAGITARIUS (Archer--The Sky-ward Triumph)
The Final (one-time) Triumph--Messiah dies once for all (Hebrews 7:27, 9:28, and 10:10-14)
5. CAPRICORNUS (Sea-Goat--Life out of Death)
Resurrection of the Messiah, being our First-Fruits and leader forth from the power of the Grave to those who Believe (1 Corinthians 15:3-8, 20-23)--leaving non-belivers still bound and under the influence of the Goat (Romans 6:16)!
6. AQUARIUS (Waterbearer--Blessing Poured Out from Victory)
The Promise of the Father or Outpouring (Pentecost)--beginning of the Era of the Churches after Messiah's ascension (Isaiah 44:3, Ezekiel 39:28-29, and Acts 2:1-4)
7. PISCES (Fishes--Deliverance out of Bondage)
The ShuVaH or RETURN of the Holy Israel (at the end of the Churches Era)--the Current Messianic (Jewish-Christian) Movement (Psalms 102:13 and Romans 11:18-25)
8. ARIES (the Ram--Glory out of Humiliation)
The Future Rising of Astaria or KoReY--the Coming Holy Israel of Outer Space (Daniel 7:27 and Revelations 12:1)
9. TAURUS (the Bull--His Glorious Coming)
Messiah's Second Coming--the Return of the Messiah to Earth as the Judge of World (Matthew 24:30-33, 42-51 and Acts 1:11)
10. GEMINI (the Twins--HIS Rule on Earth)
Messiah as the High-King of all the World--and HIS Millenial Reign on the Earth (Matthew 19:28-29 and Revelations 20:1-6)
11. CANCER (the Crab--HIS Possession Held Secure)
Messiah, the Protector of the Holy City of God--and Armaggedon, the Last Battle (Revelations 16:13-16 AND 20:7-9)
12. LEO (the Lion--HIS Enemies Destroyed)
Messiah's final destruction of all who oppose God--burning them in the etrnal Lake of Fire--Hell (Matthew 25:41 and Revelations 20:10-15)
Consequently, the Mazzaroth, or so called Hebrew zodiac is NOT a Scriptural support for Astrology at all (as some try to claim)! Rather, it is a plain and open declaration of God's Plan for Mankind, clearly showing the Role of the Messiah (or Christ)! And, in its whole year cycle, shows the whole Plan of God for all of Mankind's Time, even to the End of the World. Clearly these are prophetic types!
More @ :Hebrew Mazzaroth
It was in Babylon that the mazzaroth was corrupted into what we know as the "zodiac".
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Sounds to me like you're a 'smoking hot' Chimney! (Not analog smoking.) I agree with everything you said. You can't take an apple and make it an orange. Makes perfect sense to me! This next week I'm gonna be busy busy busy, if I live through this Craft show. THEN, after I'm rich
LaChaim! Shalom Cuz!
(* May the Lord bless you all in your rising up, your laying down, your going out, your coming in, all that you put your hands to!)
This all sounds good and reasonable to me!!! Hellelujah!!!!
I'm non-denominational.
Back to the Bible study. I'm not (and never have been) a seminary student. I just study the Bible "on my on" with the help of teachers whether in real life or online. I'm not as organized as SG. I don't have notes printed out or "prettied up" in outline form. I'm not sure yet how I'll go about this. I see that SG was doing 2 chapters a week. I'm not sure either where he left off. Let me look around this weekend and see what I can come up with.
I was also thinking of a "Bible Q & A Thread" where people could ask questions about their own readings. And I could give suggestions as to where to search and people could discuss them. I say this because it will soon be clear that I'm a "young earth creationist" and I wouldn't want to have the "bible study" thread derailed--but I'm willing to stand up for what I believe, i.e. the Bible is the truth from the beginning until the end.
OOH! Great teaching start! I 'see' how the DEVIL has used God's signs in the Heavens & changed them to mean something else entirely through Horoscopes, Astrology, Horoscopes, divination... again, to 'confuse' and mislead. There are 'real messages from God' in the Heavens.. the constellations bear both physical & spiritual significance.
Betrothal was more "serious" than what we call an "engagement". A covenant had been made and a bride price (dowry) had been paid by the groom. It was more like a marriage but with the betrothal being time spent apart for at least 9 months. In this way, the groom could tell if his betrothed was faithful to him. The next step was for the couple to either move in together to the place that he had prepared for her to find out if she was a virgin. Or if she was found to be pregnant before moving in, to divorce her and have her charged with adultery.
LOL! Why aren't you supposed to believe it was real wine??????
I've heard different 'doctrinal theories' on this, but one is the 'wine' of Christ's time was not fermented (non alcoholic) grapes... others say it was true 'fermented' grapes wine. I have a tendency to believe it was true fermented wine because the Scribes & Pharisees (the 'Religious' People of Christ's day were always calling Him a glutton and a wine bibber, so why would they demean our Lord if He drank simple Grape Juice?... lol). However, Scripture warns 'us' of over imbibing with the wine. For me, because generations of my Family have problems with abuse of Alcohol I choose not to drink Alcohol other than rarely or occasionally (like once or twice a year) I will have a glass of wine or champagne in celebration of something.. but that's just 'me'.. I certainly would not condemn a Brother or Sister in Christ who drinks wine in moderation occasionally or even daily. I believe the Holy Spirit will 'convict' us when we're abusing something that He thinks is harmful to us. Each of us has to allow the Lord to lead us in these areas as He did me.
The Magi came from "the East" and are thought to have come from Babylon. The Jews had been held captive by the Babylonians for 70 years. Daniel was taken in the Babylonian captivity where because of his ability to give the meaning of Nebuchadnezzar's dreams he quickly rose in the esteem of the ruler.
From Pastor Chuck Missler:
One of the titles given to Daniel was Rab-mag, the Chief of the Magi. His unusual career included being a principal administrator in two world empires--the Babylonian and the subsequent Persian Empire. When Darius appointed him, a Jew, over the previously hereditary Median priesthood, the resulting repercussions led to the plots involving the ordeal of the lion's den.
Daniel apparently entrusted a Messianic vision (to be announced in due time by a "star") to a secret sect of the Magi for its eventual fulfillment.
Who Were the Magi?
Wow Chimney, you're already teaching me stuff I didn't know! I had no idea about the astrology thing.
See, you're teaching us already!!!!!!!!!
See, you're teaching us already!!!!!!!!!
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