Bible Q & A Thread

[blondeambition3]

I did a bit of research this evening. The general consensus with "reputable" Bible teachers lies in the words of the demons who recognized Christ and asked if He had come to torture them before the "appointed time". They know their eternal destiny and recognized Jesus' authority. They did not want to be sent to the Abyss and asked instead to be sent into the herd of pigs. Knowing that it was not the "appointed time", Jesus honored their request. (We're told in another gospel account of the same incident that the demon's name was Legion and was actually about 2000 demons possessing the 2 men.) When the demons went into the herd of pigs, the pigs could not take it and drove themselves into the lake. (One teacher--don't remember who--suggested that the demons were hoping that maybe the owners of the pigs hearing what had happened would come out and kill Jesus for ruining their livelihood. They did not kill Him, but came to ask Him to leave.)

This is just slightly 'off topic'.. I'd like to share one of the many reasons the Muslim People don't eat Pork. Their main reason is little different from ours.. but not much.. according to the Koran, when Moses came down from the Mountain bearing the ten commandments he found the People had been 'unfaithful' so out of anger Allah turned the idolatrous Tribes into Pigs... so when People eat Pork, they (Arabs) consider it akin to cannibalism. Their 'other' reason is it's considered 'unclean' same as the the Biblical reasons stated in Leviticus 11 & Deuteronomy 14. I'm not sure if the Koran mentions Demons going into Pigs or not? It's been so long I can't remember.

 

[jons]

Which muslim bible are you talking about? From what I read there are two. Eastern and western.

 

[blondeambition3]

Which muslim bible are you talking about? From what I read there are two. Eastern and western.

That's a very good question jons, to be perfectly honest I don't actually know because the last time I owned one was in 1991.. it was a gift from my brother in law Yahiyah Akrouche. It was really gorgeous however and was an Arabic/English translation Qua'ran... meaning half the page was in the original Arabic.. the other half of the page was English. I wonder what the differences are between the Eastern & Western as I wasn't even aware there were two?. Mine would more than likely have originated from Lebanon as my exes were from there...

 

[chimney55]

Which muslim bible are you talking about? From what I read there are two. Eastern and western.

I was only aware of one Koran. The Koran has 2 distinct "time periods" associated with it. The first part was very "lenient" towards "people of the book"--Jews and Christians. Muhammed thought that he could "win them over" to Islam in showing them the similarities. When this did not work, he wrote the subsequent "surahs" or chapters that called for all "infidels" to be killed if they did not "submit" to Allah. (Islam means "submission".) But all of the surahs are in the same book. There is also a book that some refer to as the Hadith. This is supposedly the sayings of Muhammed recorded by those who were close to him.

 

[KellyinAZ]

Chimney,

it is my understanding that the Hadith are the laws made by Imams after the death of Muhammad and everything in the Hadith supersedes the words of Muhammad in the Koran. Meaning that everything written before has been changed by the Hadith and that the Hadith is the current "law" of Islam. From my research this is what I discovered and that is why many believe that Islam is a religion of peace because of the Koran (I know my spelling is western, sorry) not understanding it is the laws in the Hadith that reign supreme, if you will, over the Koran.

I think blondeambition may want to weigh in on this subject since she was married to a Muslim and would know if this is correct or not.
Kelly
In God We Trust

 

[CartHeadMod]

I guess that I'll start...

Q. Why are the genealogies given by Matthew and Luke different?

A. The Jews had been told that the Messiah would come through the line of David. The genealogy in Matthew shows the lineage of Joseph. Though not the natural father, since he took Mary as his wife, he became Jesus' legal father. The genealogy shows that Joseph was indeed a descendant of David through Solomon. However, a few generations afterward the legal heir to the throne, Jechonias sinned greatly and was told through the prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 22: 24-30) that none of his offspring would ever sit on the throne of David or rule over Judah. However, the genealogy in Luke shows that Mary is descended from Nathan, the son of David and Bathsheba and therefore could provide "David's seed" that would sit on the throne forever.

another, less complex explanation can be found in that the gospel of Matthew was directed toward a Jewish audience which meant a patriarchal audience while the gospel of Luke was directed toward a Hellenistic Greek audience which accepted a role for women......

 

[blondeambition3]

Chimney,

it is my understanding that the Hadith are the laws made by Imams after the death of Muhammad and everything in the Hadith supersedes the words of Muhammad in the Koran. Meaning that everything written before has been changed by the Hadith and that the Hadith is the current "law" of Islam. From my research this is what I discovered and that is why many believe that Islam is a religion of peace because of the Koran (I know my spelling is western, sorry) not understanding it is the laws in the Hadith that reign supreme, if you will, over the Koran.

I think blondeambition may want to weigh in on this subject since she was married to a Muslim and would know if this is correct or not.
Kelly
In God We Trust

I'm sorry, I only read the Koran to appear 'open minded to my Arab Husband'.. (lol)... I read it through and realized we weren't serving the same God.. or Allah is not God. I do know my ex Husband would tell 'stories' about the prophet Mohammed which made him sound like a 'decent' Man. I'll share one in the future if anyone would like to hear it. My Husband used 'crude' language when he would tell it but I'll 'clean it up' for yas.. (lol)

PS - I've only heard the word 'hadith'... (lol)

 

[chimney55]

Chimney,

it is my understanding that the Hadith are the laws made by Imams after the death of Muhammad and everything in the Hadith supersedes the words of Muhammad in the Koran. Meaning that everything written before has been changed by the Hadith and that the Hadith is the current "law" of Islam. From my research this is what I discovered and that is why many believe that Islam is a religion of peace because of the Koran (I know my spelling is western, sorry) not understanding it is the laws in the Hadith that reign supreme, if you will, over the Koran.

I think blondeambition may want to weigh in on this subject since she was married to a Muslim and would know if this is correct or not.
Kelly
In God We Trust

I dated/was engaged to a Muslim for 2 years many years ago and had quite a few Muslim friends. They were trying to "sell me" on the Koran. Although, I've never read it in its entirety, I'm familiar with some of it. Some "sects" of Islam lend more importance to the Hadith than others do. It doesn't supercede the Koran for them. But if you research online, you'll see that there is a definite difference between the first chapters which are peaceful and the later ones that are much more violent. The idea that Muhammed wasn't violent and that it all came from the Hadith is another form of deception.

 

[blondeambition3]

I dated/was engaged to a Muslim for 2 years many years ago and had quite a few Muslim friends. They were trying to "sell me" on the Koran. Although, I've never read it in its entirety, I'm familiar with some of it. Some "sects" of Islam lend more importance to the Hadith than others do. It doesn't supercede the Koran for them. But if you research online, you'll see that there is a definite difference between the first chapters which are peaceful and the later ones that are much more violent. The idea that Muhammed wasn't violent and that it all came from the Hadith is another form of deception.

Absolutely Chimney! I'm in total agreement with you here! My ex considered himself to be a 'moderate' Suni Muslim (Peaceful) but he HATED Jews with a vengeance... until one day we were at the Mall and this Hot little number at a Cosmetics Kiosk in the Mall wooed him over (which didn't take much effort that's how beautiful she was!) to sell something to him for me... during the course of his conversation with her he noticed her 'accent' and asked her where she was from.. she said "Israel"... and he went "You Jewish?"... she indicated 'yes' and as we were walking away he says; "I didn't know Jews looked like that".. and I was like, "What? Only Muslims and American Women can be pretty?"... (lol) Un-ba-leev-a-ble! Back on track, yes, when I would have conversations with my ex as to 'how' the Muslim People could 'justify' being so 'dishonest' in their affairs concerning anything & everything, politics or otherwise.. he'd just quip "The end justifies the means"... it's just that simple. You do what you gotta do, to heck with the consequences or who gets hurt.. as long as they get what they want.. it's all good for them.
The Prophet was all about 'killing' the Infidel (anyone that is not Muslim or for the cause of Islam) The underlings of Islam (such as the moderates & less religious or non practicing Muslim) are considered Infidels also.. they have no power and no voice in Islam as Islam is not a 'democratic' process such as what we exercise here in the US. If Islam ever overcomes the US or becomes a major Religious Influence where they actually have the ability or power to institute Shariah Law, People here will 'get' what we're trying to say and understand why we're trying to 'warn' them.. not to HATE the Muslim, but to be wary of their wiles and to allow them to practice what they believe 'where' they can do no 'harm' to innocent Christians and those of other faiths.

 

[chimney55]

Back on track, yes, when I would have conversations with my ex as to 'how' the Muslim People could 'justify' being so 'dishonest' in their affairs concerning anything & everything, politics or otherwise.. he'd just quip "The end justifies the means"... it's just that simple. You do what you gotta do, to heck with the consequences or who gets hurt.. as long as they get what they want.. it's all good for them.
The Prophet was all about 'killing' the Infidel (anyone that is not Muslim or for the cause of Islam) The underlings of Islam (such as the moderates & less religious or non practicing Muslim) are considered Infidels also.. they have no power and no voice in Islam as Islam is not a 'democratic' process such as what we exercise here in the US. If Islam ever overcomes the US or becomes a major Religious Influence where they actually have the ability or power to institute Shariah Law, People here will 'get' what we're trying to say and understand why we're trying to 'warn' them.. not to HATE the Muslim, but to be wary of their wiles and to allow them to practice what they believe 'where' they can do no 'harm' to innocent Christians and those of other faiths.

I'm in agreement here as well. This is what I learned as well. The Muslims that I met were the "nicest, most hospitable" people you'd ever want to meet. They were "moderate" Muslims though and would have been considered infidels as well (most of them). And I heard "the ends justifies the means as well" since it is for the sake of "Allah".

 

[jons]

I'm in agreement here as well. This is what I learned as well. The Muslims that I met were the "nicest, most hospitable" people you'd ever want to meet.

I wish I could say that. Sadly most of my experiences have been pretty bad with the exception of one or two. The only really good experience I had was with a roomate with used to be christain and converted to muslim. He was always polite and always asked alot of questions and we never argued once.

 

[LisaLisa]

I did a bit of research this evening. The general consensus with "reputable" Bible teachers lies in the words of the demons who recognized Christ and asked if He had come to torture them before the "appointed time". They know their eternal destiny and recognized Jesus' authority. They did not want to be sent to the Abyss and asked instead to be sent into the herd of pigs. Knowing that it was not the "appointed time", Jesus honored their request. (We're told in another gospel account of the same incident that the demon's name was Legion and was actually about 2000 demons possessing the 2 men.) When the demons went into the herd of pigs, the pigs could not take it and drove themselves into the lake. (One teacher--don't remember who--suggested that the demons were hoping that maybe the owners of the pigs hearing what had happened would come out and kill Jesus for ruining their livelihood. They did not kill Him, but came to ask Him to leave.)

Boy you guys have been busy here, I love it! Thank you Chimney, I think you're awesome! That's a good explanation and that settles that question for me, along with the other ones you've answered.

You have a really good grasp for the scriptures, I'm so glad you're here!

 

[LisaLisa]

This is just slightly 'off topic'.. I'd like to share one of the many reasons the Muslim People don't eat Pork. Their main reason is little different from ours.. but not much.. according to the Koran, when Moses came down from the Mountain bearing the ten commandments he found the People had been 'unfaithful' so out of anger Allah turned the idolatrous Tribes into Pigs... so when People eat Pork, they (Arabs) consider it akin to cannibalism. Their 'other' reason is it's considered 'unclean' same as the the Biblical reasons stated in Leviticus 11 & Deuteronomy 14. I'm not sure if the Koran mentions Demons going into Pigs or not? It's been so long I can't remember.

Oh my gosh, I had always wondered why they dont eat pork..........lol. That's just too crazy for words even!!!!!!!!!

 

[LisaLisa]

He's talking about Hades--the place where the souls of the unbelieving dead go until the Great White Throne Judgment and afterward to eternal condemnation to the lake of fire. This shows that the Jews do not have a "special arrangement" with God as some people and denominations say. Jews need to know of Christ every bit as much as gentiles do.
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Was Hades mentioned in the old testament too?

 

[blondeambition3]

I wish I could say that. Sadly most of my experiences have been pretty bad with the exception of one or two. The only really good experience I had was with a roomate with used to be christain and converted to muslim. He was always polite and always asked alot of questions and we never argued once.

Interesting.. I can never understand why someone would convert to Islam after having experienced Christ...

 

[blondeambition3]

Oh my gosh, I had always wondered why they dont eat pork..........lol. That's just too crazy for words even!!!!!!!!!

Yeah Lisa.. my ex used to always say when People offered him Ham or something, "No Thanks, I don't like the taste of Jews"... isn't that horrible? He used to make me CRAZY with that one! (I hope Lindy's not listening.. she'll go ballistic over that one!)
I choose not to eat Pork because the Old Testament considers it 'unclean', not because I think it's the wayward Tribes of Israel or anything like that.. (lol) I 'know' I'm FREE to eat it if I like, but I feel if God (at any time) declared something 'unclean' I'd prefer to keep things at His original status quo.. (if I can!) lol.

 

[blondeambition3]

Boy you guys have been busy here, I love it! Thank you Chimney, I think you're awesome!

You have a really good grasp for the scriptures, I'm so glad you're here!

Praise God me too! Thank you Chimney!

 

[blondeambition3]

Yeah Lisa.. my ex used to always say when People offered him Ham or something, "No Thanks, I don't like the taste of Jews"... isn't that horrible? He used to make me CRAZY with that one! (I hope Lindy's not listening.. she'll go ballistic over that one!)
I choose not to eat Pork because the Old Testament considers it 'unclean', not because I think it's the wayward Tribes of Israel or anything like that.. (lol) I 'know' I'm FREE to eat it if I like, but I feel if God (at any time) declared something 'unclean' I'd prefer to keep things at His original status quo.. (if I can!) lol.

plus; I won't eat anything I'd have as a Pet.... (lol)
I also don't 'condemn' anyone else for eating whatever they like..

I know, I'm a little 'odd' that way.

 

[LisaLisa]

Yeah Lisa.. my ex used to always say when People offered him Ham or something, "No Thanks, I don't like the taste of Jews"... isn't that horrible? He used to make me CRAZY with that one! (I hope Lindy's not listening.. she'll go ballistic over that one!)
I choose not to eat Pork because the Old Testament considers it 'unclean', not because I think it's the wayward Tribes of Israel or anything like that.. (lol) I 'know' I'm FREE to eat it if I like, but I feel if God (at any time) declared something 'unclean' I'd prefer to keep things at His original status quo.. (if I can!) lol.

Wow, I mean, how in the world did they even come up with this crazy idea?????????? It's just so insane!!!!!!! LOL!

 

[blondeambition3]

Wow, I mean, how in the world did they even come up with this crazy idea?????????? It's just so insane!!!!!!! LOL!

My take is anything to have a 'reason' to hate the Jewish People... because most do. I mean, think about it, 'if' God actually condemned the wayward Tribes of Israel to no more than Pigs, why should Islam consider them of any value as a race, people or Nation?