Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid
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This!
What ARE we going to do about it. I feel like doomsday prepping, but I also want to do more. How can we stress that elimination of products and association with BT is NOT in the interest of public health at all? How can we get our message out LOUD and CLEAR to combat all the junk science?I try, but most average citizens aren't going to sit down and read a scholarly publication. Sometimes I feel like society is just too far gone the way of the sheep following a goat to slaughter.
A good investigative journalist could pull it off. However the only journalist that is on our side that I have seen is Greg Gutfield of The Five on FNC and Red Eye.
He pretty much blasts the politicians about ECs. He even uses them himself. I'm afraid just writing to your congressional rep. isn't going to accomplish much unless they are named and shamed on TV. If you could text a vote in, I'm sure millions would vote for OUR side. That seems to be the major way things get around on Twitter and other multimedia that is replacing the mass media of cable TV news.
It's a shame that the youth of the country is more focused on the Kardashians and the Clooneys of the country. Which explains why most of the youth are so misinformed these days,
Not being sarcastic or trying not to be, but I'm sure the FDA really shakes in their boots at the mere mention of CASAA and or FreeToVape. Politicians don't either imho.
I've done plenty tyvm. I've emailed every rep I got. Joined and done all the CTAs. Joined FreeToVape and other groups. I was just making a point FYI.
CASAA can't pay for lobbyist. I wouldn't expect they have anymore cash in the til than they already admitted to. A mere $30k or so.
I wouldn't want then too anyway. Better to spend those funds on advertisements on Harm Reduction and informing the public on ECs and what we face in the FDA battle. They work very hard for us vapers and I appreciate that.
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Prepare accordingly, that's what. Vaping has cut deep into the $$$$ Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, Big government AND the healthcare industry are accustomed to reaping from smokers. In the Corporatocracy that is America such a formidable coalition of "enemies" will prove all but insurmountable. Facts, data and rational thinking mean nothing in this lop sided fight, only money and "who" gets it will matter in the end with impending (and future), rules/laws insuring it is big corporations and the government that will profit. I certainly expect vaping costs will rise steadily/substantially much the same way tobacco did after regulation/taxation. Nicotine will likely be heavily regulated and taxed if it's sale to the public (in liquid form), isn't outlawed altogether. That's why I have a "substantial" quantity of 100mg in long-term cold storage.
100% agreed. Perp for what we all know is coming. That or go broke vaping. I don't intend waiting around for the political machine to beat us down. I'm going underground with this. I just don't have a set plan. The clock is ticking though. Get ready all.
CASAA represents a very small minority of people, probably not enough to attract the attention of any well bought career politician. Nothing will change until a significant number of people with diverse concerns recognize that we entered a period of unlimited government in 1968 with Richard Nixon; it has continued nearly unabated sever since. So long as government is without limits we will all continue to lose our freedom in small increments. How many of our members have remained silent as the government encroached on the freedoms of others for either of two reasons? One: the new law or regulation doesn't affect me consequently there is no reason for me to get upset. Two: the law or regulation seems like a good idea. The first reason is the death knell for freedom, soon unlimited government effects everyone. Most are like the frog in the pan on the stove not knowing when to jump. The second is a tacit acceptance of unlimited government. Every good idea ought not to be made mandatory or criminalized by government fiat.
Are you sure those products were marketed and sold in the US prior to Feb. 2007? I haven't been able to find evidence of exactly when they first appeared on the market.
Well at least you are in a state that is trying real hard to get it right. Ya'll elected Rand Paul. He gets my vote come 2016. Even if he is a Libertarian running on the Republican platform. It's damn well a start imho.
"RJR is an *indirect* wholly owned subsidiary of Reynolds American Inc. which in turn is 42% owned by British American Tobacco of the United Kingdom." ... does that mean? Where's their cash?
The Daily Mail in London, after being contacted by UK vapers would probably be a bit interested. Word travels fast these days.
The Daily Mail in London, after being contacted by UK vapers would probably be a bit interested. Word travels fast these days.
THAT explains why, when I called GreenSmoke to give them feedback about flavors, they responded with "we won't ever do fruity flavors because they appeal to children". I was all like ... at the time. Now it makes complete sense.
Just to further illustrate that Big Tobacco is not our friend in the FDA Regulations, they have proposed a ban on e-liquids being used in open system aerosol containers. Ie: tanks, clearomizers and cartomizers. I would assume this would also apply to RBA type devices, too. They propose e-liquid be sold only in closed non-refillable cartridges like Blu e-cigarettes use.
I dont know it dont think so
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Because blue is owned by Lorillard/ Newport. big Tobacco has fought and won many battles when there bottom line starts to be effected. Many many dollars are spent in lobbyists by them. I lost my job to them a few years back due to similar tactics against native American tobacco industry.Just to further illustrate that Big Tobacco is not our friend in the FDA Regulations, they have proposed a ban on e-liquids being used in open system aerosol containers. Ie: tanks, clearomizers and cartomizers. I would assume this would also apply to RBA type devices, too. They propose e-liquid be sold only in closed non-refillable cartridges like Blu e-cigarettes use.
Njoy is moving into the tank market and they are independent. If anyone has a predicate, it'll be Njoy because the owner filed to import Ruyan pre-2007. However getting approval means taking a HUGE step backwards when it comes to eliquid if a predicate even exists (most say it doesn't). People were dripping into cartridges back in 2007. The trail ends there. All ecigs are new products and so far, no new product has ever been approved.
That's what the "predicate product" provision allows. Put simply if the item seeking approval is based on an earlier design or say a slight modification of a previous design premarket approval process can be waived. The only products available for sale in 2007 were cigalikes.
From the FDA website:
A Premarket Notification [510(k)] is a premarketing submission made to FDA to demonstrate that the device to be marketed is safe and effective by proving substantial equivalence (SE) to a legally marketed device (predicate device) that is not subject to Premarket Approval (PMA).
What's interesting is that while relatively few of us knew anything of ecigs in 2007, one agency did: the FDA
Long story short:
They tried to prevent the sale of ecigs---not because of tobacco (they didn't have that oversight yet)---but because they said it was a medical device (oversight they did have.)
They ultimately lost the battle in court an an ecig is now a "tobacco product"
It remains to be seen whether they'll win the war.
Clarification: the substantial equivalent is the best chance argument for those manufacturers listed to gain market approval quickly but no guarantee.
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