I just found this Dingy Tart spewing misinformation ... Where do they find these people?
Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid
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That just reminded me of something a few years back. It has stuck with me ever since. Some guy walks out of a social security office, obviously upset. Screaming "Bread and circus for the people - social security and football"
I tried to watch it, I really did. But I have zero, maybe NEGATIVE tolerance for stupid people. She needs to go back to fashion and boys.
Andria
I mean REALLY? WTH? LOL
Yeah, her metier is definitely fashion and boys... and maybe weight-loss; looked like she could do with a bit of that. She clearly hasn't got the slightest ability to discern truth from bottom-line-serving BS.
Andria
I feel the root of the problem is in ecig advertising really. That's what lead to all this FDA regulation crap. BT had advertised for as long as I remember but then were made to stop TV adds and magazine adds. Remember there is a whole generation that has never seen a cigarette add. Unless they come across an old LIFE magazine. lol
Suddenly they see ecig adds and BAM..they think it's a smoking add. I'm just guessing because of the knee jerk reactions we have gotten from both sides of the political isle. It's not just one or the other really. Sure the ANTZ would have been on our case anyway, but not main stream society if it wasn't for the advertising.
BT see's there chance of gaining the upper hand. If they can cook the books they will. If they can buy politicians they will, and have imo.
Suddenly they see ecig adds and BAM..they think it's a smoking add. I'm just guessing because of the knee jerk reactions we have gotten from both sides of the political isle. It's not just one or the other really. Sure the ANTZ would have been on our case anyway, but not main stream society if it wasn't for the advertising.
BT see's there chance of gaining the upper hand. If they can cook the books they will. If they can buy politicians they will, and have imo.
Progressives..I will never understand the mindset. OMG here I go getting into trouble already. shhhh lol
Heh. I consider myself a progressive in many ways. But real progress would be the gov't butting OUT of people's private lives. You know there's been a lot of back and forth in recent years about how sacrificing freedom to gain security is quite anti-American-ideal. It's also true about sacrificing freedom to gain a Big Governmental Nanny.
Thomas Jefferson has been one of my foremost personal heroes for many years, mainly because of the brilliance of the Declaration of Independence, and the elegant, piercing clarity of its language, but he had another truly brilliant idea -- that the gov't which governs LEAST, governs best.
He's spinning in his grave now, I'm quite certain.
Andria
yes the west has always been our enemy,the east is our friend.
the total opposite is true to what RJR's says.
in today's age of computer aided design and manufacturer quality control can be achieved on an unprecedented scale.(even in China)
hundreds,thousands,millions of parts all of such a close tolerance as to make individual inspection and compliance redundant.
DIY'ers are going tp tamper,ahem,i mean modify these devices as they see fit anyway.
what do they mean by adulterating? oh,using your own DIY juice,i see.
this is why their hype is changing towards the highly addictive and dangerous nicotine.
The Great Nicotine Myth
this is incredulous.
if one can get a box of cake mix and make a cake,one can make e-juice a whole lot easier.
do they really think we are all bumps on logs?
Jolly Green Giant face palm regards,
mike
the total opposite is true to what RJR's says.
in today's age of computer aided design and manufacturer quality control can be achieved on an unprecedented scale.(even in China)
hundreds,thousands,millions of parts all of such a close tolerance as to make individual inspection and compliance redundant.
DIY'ers are going tp tamper,ahem,i mean modify these devices as they see fit anyway.
what do they mean by adulterating? oh,using your own DIY juice,i see.
this is why their hype is changing towards the highly addictive and dangerous nicotine.
The Great Nicotine Myth
this is incredulous.
if one can get a box of cake mix and make a cake,one can make e-juice a whole lot easier.
do they really think we are all bumps on logs?
Jolly Green Giant face palm regards,
mike
I often ask myself this question BUT, I went to a conference in France where there were discussions about how powerful the internet could become over the next decade IF people pull together.
Consider the future... the internet should have the power to make or break even the biggest corporations and/or political control. People (it was suggested) don't believe this yet.. but I am convinced.
There IS hope.
(Isn't there?)
that's what net neutrality is about.
first control the gate,then control the content.
unless of course you have tons of money.
regards
mike
This is a political thread, it was from the original title and content moving through each post. If this is the wrong place for this discussion then it should have been moved or deleted at the outset or, perhaps, never posted originally. What else but political discussion would anyone expect with the title: Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid?
Thank you.
Thank you.
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I think the political talk was not objectionable, because you're right, it's a political subject; it was the bickering and personal insults that were objectionable. It's tricky, here at ECF; obviously a lot of the stuff we discuss is going to be political, because of how we're being persecuted by the gov't; what's necessary is the ability to disagree *respectfully* -- we may think a lot of rude thoughts about those who disagree with our opinions, but if those kinds of rude thoughts are stated, then ECF will have a problem with those statements and the person who stated them.
Andria
If BT won, wouldn't this be like a monopoly? BT gets to control everything by eliminating the competition. Isn't that is illegal..
Heh. I consider myself a progressive in many ways. But real progress would be the gov't butting OUT of people's private lives. You know there's been a lot of back and forth in recent years about how sacrificing freedom to gain security is quite anti-American-ideal. It's also true about sacrificing freedom to gain a Big Governmental Nanny.
Thomas Jefferson has been one of my foremost personal heroes for many years, mainly because of the brilliance of the Declaration of Independence, and the elegant, piercing clarity of its language, but he had another truly brilliant idea -- that the gov't which governs LEAST, governs best.
He's spinning in his grave now, I'm quite certain.
Andria
Progressivism began in the 1890s as a movement that attacked the political, social, and political inequalities of the age. Many progressives blamed capitalism for the evils of society. However, unlike the Socialists, who wanted destroy the capitalist system, the progressives wanted to fix that system. Many progressives were tied to the Social Gospel movement of the Protestant church; others wanted to reform city governments, while still others desired to instill even more democracy in the electoral process (direct primaries, more use of the referendum, etc.). Many progressives launched projects to aid the immigrant population that existed in America's cities. The roots of progressivism yes, that gave us FDRs Social Security program but progressivism has went far left in the modern age.
America is in the midst of a fierce culture war between those who embrace traditional values and those who want to change America into a "secular-progressive" country. Under democratic presidents the United States did pursue policies of appeasement, containment, and surrender and has often sacrificed American interests and security to placate anti-American interests. See Obamas Apology Tour.
Left-wing, secular-progressive liberals do, in fact, seem to have an extraordinary knack for always taking the anti-American stand.
OK OK there I go again on a political rant. FDA FDA FDA...lol
There are many non-BT products that would most likely be able to meet the " 2007 predicate product" date.
NJoy for sure being as they are the product being predicated.
GreenSmoke, V2, Apollo, White Cloud, South Beach,,,,the cigalikes.
Assuming they have the coin to prove they are a based on a predicate product
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Are these companies large enough to even be considered a competition though?
Yes indeed a monopoly is illegal. However Phillip Morris is now headquartered in Switzerland. They also bought out Green Smoke, Nicocigs, RJ Reynolds bought out Lorillard makers of Blu. So BT moving in on the market isn't a monopoly. Getting in bed with the FDA isn't exactly legal either. Or with politicians.
So maybe it will just be like cigarettes, you know, you can't smoke them in some places.
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