Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid
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The whole FDA regulation mess has been an obvious push in this direction. Now the FDA can scare the whole country and their "friends" in the tobacco industry will step in to help deal with all the terrible problems and make a ton of money selling horrible cigalikes to their own customers, who will just go back to smoking even more convinced of their inability to quit. The whole reason big tobacco invented the problems and threw around so much money and lobbying has been to get to this point. Regulation helps them. They've publicly said as much.
We all wish you were correct but unfortunately not in this political system.
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It may look odd to many when they see me puff on my VTR but, I will NEVER AGAIN put anything to my lips that remotely resembles a cigarette including an e-cig.
When you run out of nic and can't get any more, what then? Break the law??
There are hundreds of thousands of us that would not have been able to quit smoking without better equipment than cig-a-likes. It reminds me of the smokers who quit cold turkey and state that everyone should be able to do it that way. It is the height of ignorant arrogance.
I'd never want to vape anything BT sold me in a sealed container designed to make me come back over and over as a repeat buyer. Why should we trust the guys who freebased nicotine and added chemicals to make their product even more addictive? Are we supposed to think they are going to quit doing that now with ecig cartridges?
I'm at 6mg and could go to zero, but I don't want to. A little nic is good for the cerebral processes. I don't really want to be a zero nic vaper. My goal is to find out how little nic I can vape and pass a cotinine test for non-smoker status in health insurance. That's about a $200 a month savings in premiums.
I'm at 6mg and could go to zero, but I don't want to. A little nic is good for the cerebral processes. I don't really want to be a zero nic vaper. My goal is to find out how little nic I can vape and pass a cotinine test for non-smoker status in health insurance. That's about a $200 a month savings in premiums.
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I was able to quit smoking using rechargeable cigalikes. But after only a couple of weeks using those, I knew full well that they would not KEEP me off of returning to smoking if I didn't find something "better".
For myself, that "better" was an advanced personal vaporizer. Only with that device would I have the satisfactory vaping experience to allow me to forget that I ever smoked cigarettes in the first place.
If the Deeming Regulations go into effect as written, any new e-cig devices made after 2007 will be banned. This would mean the only e-cig devices left on the market would be cigarette-size batteries and pre-filled cartridges.
No more flavored nicotine e-liquids in bottled form. No more ego's, no more mods, no more clearomizers or cartotanks. If you already know how to build coils/wicks for a RBA, good for you. Wire and cotton will always be available. Then you only need a lifetime supply of liquid nicotine. Good luck with that.
For myself, that "better" was an advanced personal vaporizer. Only with that device would I have the satisfactory vaping experience to allow me to forget that I ever smoked cigarettes in the first place.
If the Deeming Regulations go into effect as written, any new e-cig devices made after 2007 will be banned. This would mean the only e-cig devices left on the market would be cigarette-size batteries and pre-filled cartridges.
No more flavored nicotine e-liquids in bottled form. No more ego's, no more mods, no more clearomizers or cartotanks. If you already know how to build coils/wicks for a RBA, good for you. Wire and cotton will always be available. Then you only need a lifetime supply of liquid nicotine. Good luck with that.
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It's the same thing with the EPA. In the guise of cleaner air they regulate energy. They have effectively made the WAR ON COAL that the present administration is waging a fact. Now we all will pay higher prices for all energy.
However .. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act specifically states that FDA cannot ban an entire category of tobacco products, such as cigarettes. That must also mean that the FDA can not ban e-cigs. Regulate the hell out of them and nicotine liquids but not outright ban them. I don't see that they can legally put a ban on devices without litigation regulation and that's a whole other thing. I hope they don't try that. If they do they will have law suits from hell I'm sure.
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Me too..but as I said before, I don't see how they can ban anything relating to ecigs because of The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
Way to miss the point. Where did I advocate for removing choices? I didn't. Where did I suggest everyone should quit the same way? I didn't. I suggested we stay away from the blood in the streets crap such as the idea that no one can quit if we only have carts. It's a prescriptive assertion without a sufficiently accepted body of independent study to present at a hearing. It's plays on fear, dire predictions and claims that haven't been substantiated in any legal or scientific manner at this time. While it may be a true statement, it is without merit for all it matters in any sort of hearings.
I started this thread merely to illustrate that Big Tobacco is not our allie, regardless of whether they are selling e-cigs or cigarettes. They and the FDA, along with BP, are in bed with each other and the plan is to over-regulate the e-cig trade to allow Big Tobacco to monopolize the market and virtually eliminate the competition for Big Pharmacy.
Let's keep the personal comments to ourselves, or I'll ask the moderators to close this thread. Which would be a shame due to the importance of the subject matter to the entire vaping community.
And while I have your attention, if you are not already a member of CASAA, please join now. It's free, and your membership helps CASAA be stronger by representing all vapers. The link is below in my sig.
Let's keep the personal comments to ourselves, or I'll ask the moderators to close this thread. Which would be a shame due to the importance of the subject matter to the entire vaping community.
And while I have your attention, if you are not already a member of CASAA, please join now. It's free, and your membership helps CASAA be stronger by representing all vapers. The link is below in my sig.
Has anyone noticed Sheetz gas stations are turning into B&Ms? I was at one today and was shocked at the amount of e-cig gear they have. The e-cigs are starting to take over the display space for cigarettes...
The Walgreens in Plymouth, MN has as much space behind the counter dedicated to eCigs as it does for tobacco cigarettes. Freaked me out when I was in there last week. Made a mental note in case my vape mail is ever delayed.
So glad you are trying to get the word out. I had suspected long ago that some very BIG money was behind the FDAs regulations. I even started a thread on it but nobody saw the connection. Lets hope now everyone is on the same page and knows for certain BT is the BIG MONEY! Or at the very least, half of it. BP sure has deep pockets also.
I'd have thought that was pretty self evident. Any time the government is actually DOING something, there's somebody spending a ton to push an agenda. They aren't your friends, and they only work for us on paper. In the real world it's about payola, and the ones who are paying the most will see policies changed to match their agenda. The dissenting voices will be ignored or hand waved away, and the drooling mass of sheeple will accept the hand waving as fact just because someone in authority did the waving. Welcome to America, we have fun and games...
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Hey Sonic..I got a question brother. You keep up pretty well on these issues. Just how hard do you think it would be for the FDA to ban any devices pertaining to e-cigs when all the The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act only bans any cigarette flavors other than menthol and regular, and the fact that that does NOT cover cigars that come in a rainbow of flavors? Also, don't you think they will be hard pressed to NOT put e-cigs that are NOT cigalikes in a whole other category?
PVs are not cigalikes and should be in another catagory. I don't call my Reo a e-cig. I know few that would disagree that anything other than a cigalike IS an e-cig.
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Thanks for the bickering halt. lol
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