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sailorman

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Maybe I am alone in this feeling. But they have the right to say that inside their establishment. I am someone who never vapes inside business. I just don't feel it's a right to vape anywhere I please.

People are always asking me about my provari and what I am doing. It's to the point it's rather annoying. Today I've had 43 people ask. Yes, I counted!! I'm out of an office most the the day, so I am around a lot of random people. I try to not cause any attention to what I am doing. If a business chooses to not want e-cigs inside that there right, and I have no problem with it.

Plus they asked you nicely. I don't think they did anything wrong. If they were rude it would be a different conversation

Yep, and I remember when long haired people were "nicely" asked to leave certain restaurants and bars. And I'm sure that when black folks were asked to leave a soda fountain, it was often done "nicely".

Some ex-smokers can't get over the mentality of being a smoker. They physically stopped smoking, but they carry around all the guilt, self-loathing and stigma that's been heaped on them for years. It would never occur to them that there is no logical or defensible reason to treat them like they're still smokers. Heck, they look in the mirror and still see a smoker.

So they act like smokers. They sneak around like smokers. They cringe and are quick to apologize. Their feelings of inferiority make them expect to be treated like smokers and to accept it. They know no other way and if they ever realized they weren't smokers anymore, and their vapor isn't smoke, then my....that sure would make them uncomfortable.
 

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First and foremost let me echo whats already been said..
Contrary to modern definition thieves reinterpretation of the word 'Public', Starbucks is a private company. You are a guest on their propertys, they have every right to dictate what you can and can not do as a guest on their property. The libertarian in me will go so far as to say what you do on Starbucks property is soley between you and Starbucks but I digress (but only because I will rant for hours...lol )

Secondly, a question. Why do a portion of vapers have the idea that they can vape where ever they like when ever they like? I'm not meaning that with a chip on my shoulder or anything. I genuinely curious.

That's a strange question coming from a libertarian. Starbucks has set themselves up as a public accommodation. That's a legal concept that you should become familiar with. They derive certain benefits from being a public accommodation and, in return, they are expected to accommodate the public. They are not a private club. They are not a private house. If you turn your house into a hotel, you are no longer entitled to the rights of a private residence. You become a public accommodation and that's why you are not allowed to discriminate, contrary to the wishes of the Ronbots and their ilk.

Now, as to your question. The portion of vapers who are no longer sniveling, craven bundles of stigmatized marshmallow goo expect they should be able to do whatever they want if it has no detrimental impact on others. The term "detrimental" does NOT include offending the sensibilities. Offending some ignoramus because they don't want to learn the difference between smoke and vapor does not count as offending. There is no legitimate reason for anyone to be offended by anyone vaping. Because it "looks like" smoking is not a valid reason and we are under no obligation to appease the ignorance of someone who can't tell the difference.

Some people are offended by people who chew gum, speak a certain language, wear certain clothes, date people of the same sex or different color. They don't have the right to be offended by something that has no effect on them and they don't have the right to insist on not being offended. Furthermore, Starbucks shouldn't be indulging people who are offended by things that are none of their business.

As a libertarian, I'd think you could understand that. But since I know that in libertarian land, money is the measure of the value of all things, I understand why you think Starbucks should have the right to trump anyone else's rights.
 

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Sailorman none of the things you "compare" to vaping smells either hangs around in the air or fly to peoples area lol vaping or smocking bother some people and unless you are in home or outdoor theres nothing you can do....Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I find the whole bottles of perfume women dump on themselves bother me. Same with the smell of flatulence and unwashed bodies and meat and spicy foods. A cloud of apple scented vapor may be one of the least offensive things hanging in the air. I think sailormans arguement is right to the point, I don't smoke and don't expect to be treated as a smoker
 

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I wonder why alcoholics aren't offended when they can't even drink in public, but yet capers are offended when they can't in some places. Why must everything be about you. The entitlement mentality sucks. I am sorry but it does. You all would throw a fit if something was occurring that you felt hurt your business was not necessary to your business existence.

Look at it this way, even if starbucks recognized that there was no immediate harm but ignorant customers may not be so understanding, why would they take the chance? There are far less capers then there are non-vapers. If there is a potential to loose 20 percent of your business over.001 percent of your customers it is just pure good business sense to let the .001 percent leave. If it were your personal property, say your house you would be ...... if someone walked in thinking they could do whatever they want just because it wasn't prohibited by law.

Keep the mentality that you are entitled to vape where you please and it will soon be accepted nowhere because it's not a right but a privilege.
 

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I find the whole bottles of perfume women dump on themselves bother me. Same with the smell of flatulence and unwashed bodies and meat and spicy foods. A cloud of apple scented vapor may be one of the least offensive things hanging in the air. I think sailormans arguement is right to the point, I don't smoke and don't expect to be treated as a smoker

Lol is not about being treated like a smoker (shame you fell bad about it) is tha fact that if i own a bussines and your vaping inside and i dont like it i can just tell you to stop it or .... , simple.


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They won't let me come in the grocery store without my pants.
everybody boycott Superfresh, please.

Yeah but they let me sit all day and vape in the deli section of the local supermarket and the coffee is 1.29$ for a refillable large. That's my point. I now go there.

The whole point of this discussion was to suggest getting coffee elsewhere as Starbucks has a formal company policy of prohibiting vaping.


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Lol is not about being treated like a smoker (shame you fell bad about it) is tha fact that if i own a bussines and your vaping inside and i dont like it i can just tell you to stop it or .... , simple.


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Absolutely true. Then I go ELSEWHERE and tell my friends so they do too.


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Absolutely true. Then I go ELSEWHERE and tell my friends so they do too.


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I just simply beleive it is their right to prohibit vaping as they prohibit smoking. Their business, their building, their right.
It is my right to leave quietly and not return.
Movie quote- "they probably won't throw up any roadblocks for an old crook like me".

Better action, get the word out about the grocery store so it attracts vapers who can take advantage of being welcome there.

BTW, I dont go to Starbucks in the first place, although I have in the past.
The fact that I have, is why I don't.
 

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Lol is not about being treated like a smoker (shame you fell bad about it) is tha fact that if i own a bussines and your vaping inside and i dont like it i can just tell you to stop it or .... , simple.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I don't feel bad about anything, I'm doing nothing wrong. And if any business told me to stop vaping in such a rude manner as "stop or get the frack out" my recourse would be further than just taking my money elsewhere. This is right back to the OPs point, I don't have to give you my business and if you specifically discriminate against any group, I won't.
 

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He allready say he was asked in good manner.... The .... part is basically the same just he got told in a nice way.

You know what is the problem ? You trying to call it "my group" and more and more people trying to make these "vaping scene" :) basically asking to be treat like the outsider ; regarding take your money sure nobody stoping you but why bash the other because it didnt fits you ? Thats not mature at all my friend


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