Boycot Starbucks

[Cyatis]

Ok, he was informed that it wasn't allowed there, and there is a difference I agree.

I probably wouldn't care to be there, but once again, I'd simply conform to their wishes, stop vaping, and leave quietly.

I think if I was sitting there drinking a cup of joe, and having a vape, and was told that, I'd probably feel singled out.

There are going to be some stores like that, I assume, I've just never ran into one.

I agree with Sailorman, the last Starbucks I was in, offended me with the coffee. I didn't have them remake it, lol.

 

[Ladypixel]

Unless you are the type who can enjoy your coffee (or what they call coffee) without a vape, it's a distinction without a difference.

I live in the eastern edges of Los Angeles County. As a smoker, I wasn't allowed to smoke inside a Starbucks either, and later, not allowed to smoke OUTSIDE that Starbucks. There's entire towns in California which are no-smoking-in-public zones, and yeah, that does include walking down the street. I didn't get to have a cigarette with my coffee, so the inability to vape while having coffee, for me, isn't that big of a deal.

 

[sailorman]

I can honestly say that I have never gave starbucks a penny of my money. In fact the only coffee I ever bought was for my own coffee maker. One exception. Mcdonalds had a promotional coupon in my mail box for a buy one get one ice coffee. Thats the only coffee ive ever bought. I took one drink and tossed it in the trash. I dont get why a person would spend so much for a drink that makes me want to toss chunks. To each his own. I down Red Bull like I have a death wish though.

Charbucks has some good teabags for sale if you're into that. I still have a $25 gift card from Christmas 2010 that I haven't used, but if I ever set foot in another Charbucks, that's what I'd use it for.
Actually, McDonalds has better coffee than Charbucks. It's a choice between merely terrible and horrible though.
I prefer to roast my own beans and use an Aeropress. If you're into good coffee, I highly recommend the Aeropress. For $25 I get a better cup of coffee than with a $200 Krupps coffemaker.

 

[sailorman]

I live in the eastern edges of Los Angeles County. As a smoker, I wasn't allowed to smoke inside a Starbucks either, and later, not allowed to smoke OUTSIDE that Starbucks. There's entire towns in California which are no-smoking-in-public zones, and yeah, that does include walking down the street. I didn't get to have a cigarette with my coffee, so the inability to vape while having coffee, for me, isn't that big of a deal.

Just goes to show you, people get used to anything. Even incarceration. It doesn't make it a good thing though. Wait until they hold e-cigs to the same rules as smoking. I guess you can get used to that as well, but I'm sure you'd rather not.

 

[Ladypixel]

Just goes to show you, people get used to anything. Even incarceration. It doesn't make it a good thing though. Wait until they hold e-cigs to the same rules as smoking. I guess you can get used to that as well, but I'm sure you'd rather not.

Which is, quite frankly, why I vape when and where I want at this point. If people ask me about it, great, I can tell 'em. I really need to print out more info to hand out to the curious, for that matter, because I keep finding I've run out faster and faster of late.

But if the place I'm at says "please don't do that here", I respect that. Now, if only they'd say the same to the perfumed ladies whose stuff makes me cough, sneeze, and causes my eyes to water (because I'm allergic to most of the cheap perfume bases)...

Ah, well. Wishful thinking.

 

[sailorman]

Admittedly, I do miss the friend I had locally who was a coffee roaster. Nothing is better than bringing home a pound or two of french roast that came out of the roaster all of 20 minutes before, and grinding it up when it's still warm to get the maximum use out of those oils. Alas... he and his business moved out of state. So I'm relegated to Starbucks and chains like it for my coffee fix (well, when I don't feel inclined to make my own coffee, that is).

OOooo.... Didn't your friend tell you that you should let coffee breathe for about 24 hours after roasting? They off-gas CO2. Some varieties are best after 2 or 3 days of breathing. That's why you see one way valves in bags of sealed whole coffee beans. The commercial roasters don't wait a day before they package the beans, so they pack it when it reaches about 92 degrees after roasting and it breathes through the one-way valve in the package while it's being transported to stores.

I usually don't have the patience and brew it right after it roasts, but I try to roast enough at once so that there is some left after it has a day to breathe. I'm not always successful though.

Check out SweetMarias.com You can get a roaster for a reasonable price and green beans are less expensive than good pre-roasted beans. If you drink overpriced Charbucks, it'll pay for itself pretty quick. In fact, you can roast coffee in an air popcorn popper. I did that for months before I got a proper roaster.

 

[Ladypixel]

OOooo.... Didn't your friend tell you that you should let coffee breathe for about 24 hours after roasting? They off-gas CO2. Some varieties are best after 2 or 3 days of breathing. That's why you see one way valves in bags of sealed whole coffee beans. The commercial roasters don't wait a day before they package the beans, so they pack it when it reaches about 92 degrees after roasting and it breathes through the one-way valve in the package while it's being transported to stores.

I usually don't have the patience and brew it right after it roasts, but I try to roast enough at once so that there is some left after it has a day to breathe. I'm not always successful though.

Check out SweetMarias.com You can get a roaster for a reasonable price and green beans are less expensive than good pre-roasted beans. If you drink overpriced Charbucks, it'll pay for itself pretty quick. In fact, you can roast coffee in an air popcorn popper. I did that for months before I got a proper roaster.

Oh, he absolutely told me to give it some time after roasting, because it'd get even better. And that's why I store my coffee as whole beans. But I still love that just-out-of-the-roaster taste. Mmmmmm!

 

[Roxxette]

You're just the master of nonsensical, mindless analogies, aren't you.
Got anything constructive to contribute?

Nonsense to YOU your just copy pasting everything you have saw or heard man , in couple years when study are made im 100% vaping will be proven NOT safe because not even the damm air you breath is safe ! Until you get in your head to stop blowing vapor in people that dont do it or dont "like" you will always going to have a problem like these ; for me you havent contribute anything other than paste the same thing you can search on google , jeff just leaved the store and carry on with hes leave but i guess you would have started your speech about its not harm blah blah and probably will get your ... handle with nothing to do because YOU where the one that started the problem.


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[Roxxette]

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[sailorman]

Errr he never got asked to leave... It was hes choice and fine by me ; what i dont understand is going down the same level you guys consider wrong and bash the place.

Getting kick out nice or bad way is wrong but these was not the case.


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I don't think anyone is bashing it, (except for the bad coffee), but rather pointing out that if they don't want vapers' business, then don't give it to them. If you can stand the coffee at the Charbucks near you, and they don't hold to the corporate policy against vaping (assuming it is corp. policy), then that's great. Show them support for not treating you like a smoker, despite how badly they treat their coffee beans.

I won't patronize any business that insists on treating me like a smoker, unless they have a darn good reason. Just because they can is not a darn good reason. Just because they have the right is not a good reason. Just because they're too lazy to make a distinction between smoking and vaping is not a good reason. Just because they're trying to cater to the mis-perceptions of people too stupid to know the difference between smoke and vapor, and don't care to, is not a good reason.

 

[Ladypixel]

Nonsense to YOU your just copy pasting everything you have saw or heard man , in couple years when study are made im 100% vaping will be proven NOT safe because not even the damm air you breath is safe ! Until you get in your head to stop blowing vapor in people that dont do it or dont "like" you will always going to have a problem like these ; for me you havent contribute anything other than paste the same thing you can search on google , jeff just leaved the store and carry on with hes leave but i guess you would have started your speech about its not harm blah blah and probably will get your ... handle with nothing to do because YOU where the one that started the problem.

Erm... a minor quibble, here. I could reiterate that the ingredients for most juices are safe, because I believe them to be as well. However, I personally believe that what I'm exhaling in terms of vapor is safer than walking outside and taking a big ol' lungfull of California air. When I lived out of state in a less-polluted environment, I smoked twice as much. Literally. The pollution on a smoggy day in Los Angeles is pretty horrible, and that's an improvement on the grey days we had when I was a kid, when they wouldn't let us go out and play on the playground during recess because the smog levels were too high.

Which is safer: my exhalations, or the polluted air which every single resident of the Los Angeles area breathes in every single day? Can you prove that my vaping, and not the actual air, is really the problem here?

I think what I'm getting at is simple: if there is no conclusive proof that it does harm, where there IS conclusive proof that breathing in pollution causes harm, why are you arguing against that which cannot presently be proven to be harmful when there is something else visibly harmful to turn that attention to?

 

[Cyatis]

In my case I don't frequent the place, so it doesn't matter.

However, there have been numerous studies done on the vapor produced from the liquids used in personal vaporizers, and I find it safe. Most scientists do also, unless they are paid not to, then they just ignore the parts of the study they want to, and go from there.

 

[sailorman]

Nonsense to YOU your just copy pasting everything you have saw or heard man , in couple years when study are made im 100% vaping will be proven NOT safe because not even the damm air you breath is safe ! Until you get in your head to stop blowing vapor in people that dont do it or dont "like" you will always going to have a problem like these ; for me you havent contribute anything other than paste the same thing you can search on google , jeff just leaved the store and carry on with hes leave but i guess you would have started your speech about its not harm blah blah and probably will get your ... handle with nothing to do because YOU where the one that started the problem.


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Hmmm... I'm sure that might make more sense in English. Maybe, since you're so fond of google, you should run it through their translator.

But, I'm curious to know what it is that I supposedly copied and pasted. If you find anything I wrote on google, please post a link. I want credit or I'm suing for plagiarism. Other than links, everything I write comes right from my own head and is the product of my own research and deliberation.

Yes, even the air is not safe. So, if the health nazis want to do some good, I'd suggest they target the real sources of airborne toxins and leave vapers alone. They can start with cars and coal fired power plants, which are proven sources of all kinds of toxic air pollutants. But we aren't discussing total safety. Nothing is safe, including the water you drink. Using your argument, they should ban you from starting your car or lawnmower, or barbecuing or lighting a fireplace. We know for a fact that all of those are far more unsafe than vapor.

As for mindless analogies, yes, you have them down pat. You're pretty good at non-sequiturs too.

 

[Roxxette]

Im just going to stop for good.... Its like going to a mac forum lol


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[sailorman]

In my case I don't frequent the place, so it doesn't matter.

However, there have been numerous studies done on the vapor produced from the liquids used in personal vaporizers, and I find it safe. Most scientists do also, unless they are paid not to, then they just ignore the parts of the study they want to, and go from there.

I paid over $300 to test my own personal air pollution collection system, my parrot. They found some traces of heavy metals and chemicals from traffic in my neighborhood. They found ZERO nicotine. If vapor had any harmful chemicals, including TSNAs they would have been in her system. I specifically asked to check for anything that could have been caused by my vaping and I was prepared to stop vaping near her if they found it. Two years, no nicotine. That's enough proof for me. No human, or any other mammal, absorbs and retains airborne toxins like a bird.

 

[Cyatis]

Now my 16340's going dead, that's just not copacetic at all. Going to fix that now.

Turn, whoosh, poppop, turn, click, sizzle ...

 

[Roxxette]

Yeap all you have posted regarding "safe" you either read it over here or google artciles about it unless you run your own research wich i doubt so none if the thing you claim as safe where study by you. I understand english very well sir , and google i advise not using google translate because it makes a bad job at it.


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[Ladypixel]

I paid over $300 to test my own personal air pollution collection system, my parrot. They found some traces of heavy metals and chemicals from traffic in my neighborhood. They found ZERO nicotine. If vapor had any harmful chemicals, including TSNAs they would have been in her system. I specifically asked to check for anything that could have been caused by my vaping and I was prepared to stop vaping near her if they found it. Two years, no nicotine. That's enough proof for me. No human, or any other mammal, absorbs and retains airborne toxins like a bird.

Now that... is awesome.

I'd considered actually having a vet check out my hamster, who is all of about five feet from me while I'm online and vaping heavily (because, well, I keep vaping between bursts of typing), but I hadn't even considered going that far. Very, very cool.

 

[Roxxette]

Regarding second nicotine (wich i found stupid) that is not the problem my friend i need you to understand that ! The problem if with respect ! If someone dont like it why do it ? Why be so child about it ? I hope you dont come across some crazy people but it can turn very ugly


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[Ladypixel]

Yeap all you have posted regarding "safe" you either read it over here or google artciles about it unless you run your own research wich i doubt so none if the thing you claim as safe where study by you. I understand english very well sir , and google i advise not using google translate because it makes a bad job at it.

Well, now you're just trolling... unless, of course, you happen to have the scientific background and lab facilities at hand to do your own research, at which point you're more than welcome to do your own research on the topic. And should you do that, I encourage you to publish your legitimate findings.

In the meantime, I think that what I have read, when combined with what I have experienced and a little bit of common sense, is enough for me personally to believe it safe. It's safer than eating my mom's cooking, at least. I'm not sure how much carbon one person's supposed to eat in a lifetime, but I'm pretty sure my mom exceeds it.