Burnt taste with all my attys
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Thank you, Sun Vapor! If you want me to send you any of my attys for testing I would be happy to.
It really upsets me to read people telling new members that they're doing something wrong. I spend a lot of time responding to PMs asking me about this and encouraging people not to give up vaping.
It really upsets me to read people telling new members that they're doing something wrong. I spend a lot of time responding to PMs asking me about this and encouraging people not to give up vaping.
Thanks GoodDog--no need to though as I sent for 10 atomizers from various suppliers and 4 of them have this issue. All where vaped with pure PG and VG with a 3.7 Volt stock 510 battery. So rule out e-liquid and batteries and user error. I am almost done with the testing and will report the findings soon.
Again, this is a major issue that is not user error.
Sun
yeah you're missing something..you're attributing the problems to joye who makes starter kits supplied to dozens and dozens of vendors including TW and Janty..where the problem could be that the probelm isn't joye but a supplier that's passing off a "knock-off" as a "genuine joye product"...so given that these dozens and dozens of companies that say "genuine joye" if these so called "bad" ones are coming from one or 2 suppliers they might be misrepresenting..
it seems highly suspect when the factory is cranking out kits and atties on one production line and then broken up to supply the smaller suppliers then it would be an epidemic that hits all suppliers (tw, janty, a a few others have their own seperate production lines)..but it does not seem to be all suppliers...from reading the threads on the forum it seems to be specifics..
So unless it's ALL new user error it doesn't seem to be a manufacturer error...
Of course it could also just be a mind thing..new users reading things like this thread and then starting to worry about "OMG my atty could be bad, is this right or wrong".. same as the VG craze...actual allergies to PG are rare..but how many people read about it and then are suddenly have a PG sensitivity..
Watching this develop too...and the insistance that it's all joye when things just don't add up (you think the suppliers, wouldn't have said something by now?) ...I'm starting to lean more toward user error..I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and think that there might be a supplier issue going on...but fact is that when people refuse to give suppliers and insist that it's a factory problem...that looks highly suspect too
EDIT: well sun says it's not user error so I guess I gotta go with that for now..I still think it's a supplier issue not a factory issue
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I've never had a problem naming the vendor. I just won't be intimidated into doing it when I think it's a moot point.
I'm not trying to intimidate..
I just see it as a supplier issue not a factory issue and I think just referring to them just simply as "joye atties" complicates and clouds the issue..and sets it toward an anti factory hysteria when that may not be the case..
I think it'd be simpler to pinpoint the problem when working backwards and seeing where that points than assuming the factory and trying to fix it at the top where the problem might not actually be..
so lets say a dozen people all have atties from multiple suppliers..all say they're genuine joye...these 6 have bad atties and the other 6 havent seen one...in the 6 with bad atties theres one, two, or 3 suppliers in common..wouldn't you trace it back through those suppliers and where and when they got those kits rather than start at a factory that puts out god knows how many atties a day everyday and try to track the problem that way..
I just see it as a supplier issue not a factory issue and I think just referring to them just simply as "joye atties" complicates and clouds the issue..and sets it toward an anti factory hysteria when that may not be the case..
I think it'd be simpler to pinpoint the problem when working backwards and seeing where that points than assuming the factory and trying to fix it at the top where the problem might not actually be..
so lets say a dozen people all have atties from multiple suppliers..all say they're genuine joye...these 6 have bad atties and the other 6 havent seen one...in the 6 with bad atties theres one, two, or 3 suppliers in common..wouldn't you trace it back through those suppliers and where and when they got those kits rather than start at a factory that puts out god knows how many atties a day everyday and try to track the problem that way..
And you don't think that has been done? This IS a widespread manufacturing problem at a Joye facility.
You are braver then I. That's like trying to find all the defective Toyotas by test driving them all. I hope your tastebuds recover from the assault.
UD.
no I don't think so..if that were the case why would it not be widespread across ALL suppliers.. from the people that ae mentioning suppliers I'm seeing 2 and 3 names poping up over and over
Maybe you're right. Awhile back I took a mental note of the suppliers that people mentioned and it was a lot more than a few. I guess Sun Vapor will get to the bottom of it, but in the meantime I refuse to let people think it's "user error", especially new members that are already on the fence about vaping. I know better and can't in good conscience keep quiet. I will never understand how people can know something is wrong and keep quiet about it!
Is this something that shows up after time or right from the start? Mine are tasting funky after a month and I can't seem to get the taste out even after trying just about every tip on this site. I still get tons of vapor it's just that there is this nasty burnt after taste. I have tried crest, boiling, dripping with no carts and juices from various places. I have had a cold for the last week or so and that might be it.
Also I have two different types of 510 attys.
Also I have two different types of 510 attys.
Brad, if you had a bad one you wouldn't be asking ... you would KNOW! Sometimes an atty is just worn out and a month is a lot of time for something disposable. Toss it and use a new one. 
Or stick it in a box and if you ever need one in an emergency it will at least hold you over until your order is delivered.
Or stick it in a box and if you ever need one in an emergency it will at least hold you over until your order is delivered.I'm just going to be blunt and say what I am thinking.
If there are a few specific suppliers involved, I personally have figured out who they are, and I am sure anyone keeping track of this problem can figure out which names keep coming up time and again.
I'm going to go Off Topic to get back On Topic with an example:
I had (and still have) an issue with a particular supplier on the forums. I was brand new here and had just placed my first orders. I never received an order that I paid for from a supplier and posted a simple question regarding business practices. At that time I had no idea how this sector of business operated.
Every fanboy came rushing to the defense of this supplier. I was flamed, blatantly insulted and I felt very intimidated. I apologized up and down for breaking some cardinal rule I wasn't aware of, and never wanted to post here again.
I know now that I shouldn't have apologized for anything. I saw then and see plainly now that the supplier happily re-ships orders that never showed up to the fanboys, yet I was questioned, doubted and asked "are you sure you didn't get it"?
Uhh... wait, let me think... did I get it.... that's a hard question... No! I didn't get it. Although I was ultimately promised the order would be re-shipped after I plainly stated more than once that I don't hold the supplier responsible for USPS screw-ups. I was placated, humored and basically made a fool of. The order was never re-shipped. When I see that orders are routinely reshipped to other people who report that they never received their packages, the rules become quite clear.
After observing incidents like mine again, and again, it really makes me want to set myself up for another huge beat down and flame war.... not so much.
Back On Topic:
I do not want to name a popular and well respected supplier because I don't want myself or my friends on here to be attacked, criticized, flamed or called to the carpet for "posting about it instead of taking it up with the supplier".
I do know that this particular supplier has been made aware of the problem through repeated inquiries and complaints. I asked them a question about the problem when it first arose over a month ago. I was told that "no one else has complained" and it has to be "new user error". I cleaned the atomizers as suggested by the supplier and went on my way while continuing to try to figure out the problem by asking questions here, only to find out that many other people have the exact same problem and some were even told the exact same thing that I was.
I imagine that GoodDog, and many of us "newer" members don't want to call the fanboys carrying their flaming torches to war by naming a popular supplier in this thread or any of the threads discussing this issue.
If and when it's determined that the problem rests on the supplier's shoulders it will be their choice how to handle it. A problem like this is potentially catastrophic to a small business. As the bar gets set higher, the ones who reach it with a firm grip will survive, the rest will fall. That's the nature of business and this sector is not exempt from that.
The sycophant mentality is sometimes pathetic, and often very nasty even when people have very valid complaints. The end result being; no newbie wants to be flamed, insulted, and nearly driven off the boards by naming names. *I* am still a newbie. However; I am not an illiterate drooling ..... completely lacking intelligent, independent thought, reasoning and problem solving skills. These products don't require advanced degrees in quantum physics to figure out, yet more often than not, a newbie who comes to the table after doing months of research and gaining the understanding of "how things work" is told over and over, "You must be doing something wrong because I don't have that problem."
So, naming names shouldn't be the objective. Everyone with the problem knows who they purchased from. Many people without the problem have said where they purchase from. A lot of us have followed suit and started buying from vendors who's customers report they don't have the problem. Does that guarantee anything? No, because it's become clear that the problem is widespread and perhaps, not limited to the obvious suppliers that the majority of us newbies purchased from.
Doesn't it strike anyone else odd that so many people came in after the holidays seeking information and as we made our initial purchases, received our products and began using them, the problem escalated and continues to escalate? I can't believe we as a community are that daft.
It just makes me very sad that we are so quick to place blame on the user seeking explanation, validation and remedy because "they're new and must be doing something wrong". It silences a very powerful voice that could protect others and solve a potentially dangerous problem.
I know I am directing new people who voice this issue to these threads, I know that GoodDog and several other people are doing the same thing.
I just wish more of us would take their word and validate that a problem exists and point them to the threads where it's being discussed. If it turns out that they don't really have this problem? Great, no harm, no foul - the information was given. If it happens to be the case that the problem really exists for them? Great, they found other people to exchange information with, wait for answers, seek and find alternate sources that we know don't exhibit the problem and more heads can be counted as well as the source of the problem.
Now, can someone please pass me that tequila? It's been a long day...
If there are a few specific suppliers involved, I personally have figured out who they are, and I am sure anyone keeping track of this problem can figure out which names keep coming up time and again.
I'm going to go Off Topic to get back On Topic with an example:
I had (and still have) an issue with a particular supplier on the forums. I was brand new here and had just placed my first orders. I never received an order that I paid for from a supplier and posted a simple question regarding business practices. At that time I had no idea how this sector of business operated.
Every fanboy came rushing to the defense of this supplier. I was flamed, blatantly insulted and I felt very intimidated. I apologized up and down for breaking some cardinal rule I wasn't aware of, and never wanted to post here again.
I know now that I shouldn't have apologized for anything. I saw then and see plainly now that the supplier happily re-ships orders that never showed up to the fanboys, yet I was questioned, doubted and asked "are you sure you didn't get it"?
Uhh... wait, let me think... did I get it.... that's a hard question... No! I didn't get it. Although I was ultimately promised the order would be re-shipped after I plainly stated more than once that I don't hold the supplier responsible for USPS screw-ups. I was placated, humored and basically made a fool of. The order was never re-shipped. When I see that orders are routinely reshipped to other people who report that they never received their packages, the rules become quite clear.
After observing incidents like mine again, and again, it really makes me want to set myself up for another huge beat down and flame war.... not so much.
Back On Topic:
I do not want to name a popular and well respected supplier because I don't want myself or my friends on here to be attacked, criticized, flamed or called to the carpet for "posting about it instead of taking it up with the supplier".
I do know that this particular supplier has been made aware of the problem through repeated inquiries and complaints. I asked them a question about the problem when it first arose over a month ago. I was told that "no one else has complained" and it has to be "new user error". I cleaned the atomizers as suggested by the supplier and went on my way while continuing to try to figure out the problem by asking questions here, only to find out that many other people have the exact same problem and some were even told the exact same thing that I was.
I imagine that GoodDog, and many of us "newer" members don't want to call the fanboys carrying their flaming torches to war by naming a popular supplier in this thread or any of the threads discussing this issue.
If and when it's determined that the problem rests on the supplier's shoulders it will be their choice how to handle it. A problem like this is potentially catastrophic to a small business. As the bar gets set higher, the ones who reach it with a firm grip will survive, the rest will fall. That's the nature of business and this sector is not exempt from that.
The sycophant mentality is sometimes pathetic, and often very nasty even when people have very valid complaints. The end result being; no newbie wants to be flamed, insulted, and nearly driven off the boards by naming names. *I* am still a newbie. However; I am not an illiterate drooling ..... completely lacking intelligent, independent thought, reasoning and problem solving skills. These products don't require advanced degrees in quantum physics to figure out, yet more often than not, a newbie who comes to the table after doing months of research and gaining the understanding of "how things work" is told over and over, "You must be doing something wrong because I don't have that problem."
So, naming names shouldn't be the objective. Everyone with the problem knows who they purchased from. Many people without the problem have said where they purchase from. A lot of us have followed suit and started buying from vendors who's customers report they don't have the problem. Does that guarantee anything? No, because it's become clear that the problem is widespread and perhaps, not limited to the obvious suppliers that the majority of us newbies purchased from.
Doesn't it strike anyone else odd that so many people came in after the holidays seeking information and as we made our initial purchases, received our products and began using them, the problem escalated and continues to escalate? I can't believe we as a community are that daft.
It just makes me very sad that we are so quick to place blame on the user seeking explanation, validation and remedy because "they're new and must be doing something wrong". It silences a very powerful voice that could protect others and solve a potentially dangerous problem.
I know I am directing new people who voice this issue to these threads, I know that GoodDog and several other people are doing the same thing.
I just wish more of us would take their word and validate that a problem exists and point them to the threads where it's being discussed. If it turns out that they don't really have this problem? Great, no harm, no foul - the information was given. If it happens to be the case that the problem really exists for them? Great, they found other people to exchange information with, wait for answers, seek and find alternate sources that we know don't exhibit the problem and more heads can be counted as well as the source of the problem.
Now, can someone please pass me that tequila? It's been a long day...
hahaha!! rofl 
Uhhhg! Add me to the list. Just bought 4 atty's that are exactly as described. I actually made myself sick trying to "break it in" praying it would go away. They can absolutely not be used in anyway.
Update With "Bad Atty" used on a Tornado:
When I got home last night I logged on here, caught up in this thread and decided to put one of my problem-atties on my Tornado to see if there would be a difference.
I topped off my cart with the e-liquid I'd been using all day, which is the last e-liquid I'd vaped in the problem atomizers.
I grabbed one of the bad-atomizers out of my box, screwed it onto the Tornado battery, screwed on the cone and started vaping.
Oh, not bad... nice vapor... I can taste my e-juice....
I took a good 4-5 draws as I was reading. I really wasn't focused on the atomizer or the PV... I was just vaping.
I take good 4 to 5 second draws and as I took my next draw....
The horrendous burning chemical smell got me first and I actually had a physical, whole body reaction, I recoiled and sat back away from my hand and then it hit my mouth. I am not exaggerating when I say - I coughed until I gagged and I almost puked.
I took the offending atomizer off and tossed it back into the little baggie so it can sit in my box with it's two friends.
The fourth of my offending atties died after an abusive steam cleaning session. At the time of it's demise, I was still entertaining the "new user error" concept and decided to risk it's life by subjecting it to various cleaning methods. At about that time I'd also read about "atomizers that run hot" and the venturi hole melting and fusing shut.
I took the atomizer apart and saw how they are constructed. I also was able to clearly see that the plastic venturi was clean and in tact. No melting had occurred which let me safely conclude that this isn't a problem of atomizers getting too hot or running too hot.
Arrgh.... the smell lingered in my den for a while. I'd just about forgotten how bad it really was because I haven't used those atomizers since I started collecting new ones.
It's unmistakable - blech
When I got home last night I logged on here, caught up in this thread and decided to put one of my problem-atties on my Tornado to see if there would be a difference.
I topped off my cart with the e-liquid I'd been using all day, which is the last e-liquid I'd vaped in the problem atomizers.
I grabbed one of the bad-atomizers out of my box, screwed it onto the Tornado battery, screwed on the cone and started vaping.
Oh, not bad... nice vapor... I can taste my e-juice....
I took a good 4-5 draws as I was reading. I really wasn't focused on the atomizer or the PV... I was just vaping.
I take good 4 to 5 second draws and as I took my next draw....
The horrendous burning chemical smell got me first and I actually had a physical, whole body reaction, I recoiled and sat back away from my hand and then it hit my mouth. I am not exaggerating when I say - I coughed until I gagged and I almost puked.
I took the offending atomizer off and tossed it back into the little baggie so it can sit in my box with it's two friends.
The fourth of my offending atties died after an abusive steam cleaning session. At the time of it's demise, I was still entertaining the "new user error" concept and decided to risk it's life by subjecting it to various cleaning methods. At about that time I'd also read about "atomizers that run hot" and the venturi hole melting and fusing shut.
I took the atomizer apart and saw how they are constructed. I also was able to clearly see that the plastic venturi was clean and in tact. No melting had occurred which let me safely conclude that this isn't a problem of atomizers getting too hot or running too hot.
Arrgh.... the smell lingered in my den for a while. I'd just about forgotten how bad it really was because I haven't used those atomizers since I started collecting new ones.
It's unmistakable - blech
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So, I posted a while back about my batch of bad atomizers. I also posted that one of the remedies advised here did work (basically drowning the atomizer). Well, it turned out to not work. NOTHING works! I purchased a 5 pack from Totally Wicked....all foul, extremely foul, made myself sick a couple times hoping that the 50 bucks I just spent was not a total waste. Gave up, went back to smoking analogs again. A week later, I bought a couple singles so they would at least be under warranty from TW. One of them was probably the most foul out of all of them, made my house stink, made me nauseous. The other one I fired up this morning, now I'm just waiting for it to start tasting foul. Every puff I'm scared that this will be the one that's going to make me want to puke. So far so good though, I think I might have actually found one that works like it's supposed to. This after a month and a half of frustration, with absolutely no sympathy from TW.
I know this has already been said a couple times, but I'd like to throw in my two cents to those who think this is "new user error". These are faulty atomizers, no doubt about it. There is no remedy. If you haven't taken a puff off a 510 atty and wanted to puke the second you exhale, then you a much luckier person than I.
For those who have experienced one of these atomizers, and switched suppliers and received good atomizers. Who did you switch to?
I know this has already been said a couple times, but I'd like to throw in my two cents to those who think this is "new user error". These are faulty atomizers, no doubt about it. There is no remedy. If you haven't taken a puff off a 510 atty and wanted to puke the second you exhale, then you a much luckier person than I.
For those who have experienced one of these atomizers, and switched suppliers and received good atomizers. Who did you switch to?
Hi Cubby,
Wow, I'm really sorry that you are experiencing this because it's really unbearably foul, yes - to the point of puking.
There are suppliers that carry 510 atomizers that are not manufactured by Joye. People refer to these as "knock offs".
I bought a batch of these from MadVapes LLC
I have been using them, and haven't had any problems with bad taste, bad anything.
My experience with this supplier is good - extremely fast shipping, great customer service and sometimes they even throw in extras.
It's worth trying, especially if you've had success vaping and don't want to be forced back to analogs.
Also - email suppliers and ask what product they carry. There are several vendors who carry "knock off" or non-Joye 510 parts.
Good luck - keep posting about your experience, there are a lot of us who'd be interested to know if the "knock off" atomizer solved the problem for you
Wow, I'm really sorry that you are experiencing this because it's really unbearably foul, yes - to the point of puking.
There are suppliers that carry 510 atomizers that are not manufactured by Joye. People refer to these as "knock offs".
I bought a batch of these from MadVapes LLC
I have been using them, and haven't had any problems with bad taste, bad anything.
My experience with this supplier is good - extremely fast shipping, great customer service and sometimes they even throw in extras.
It's worth trying, especially if you've had success vaping and don't want to be forced back to analogs.
Also - email suppliers and ask what product they carry. There are several vendors who carry "knock off" or non-Joye 510 parts.
Good luck - keep posting about your experience, there are a lot of us who'd be interested to know if the "knock off" atomizer solved the problem for you
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