Burnt taste with all my attys

[Drozd]

I'm still not convinced that there is a problem with joye atties being bad...in 3 months and an atty bought here and there during those 3 months from different vendors (nhaler, janty, cignot, vapor station)..I have not had one bad joye atty or had one go bad in a dozen or so between my fiance and I..
I'm more convinced that it's due to new user usage, VG juice, thicker juice with lots of particulate, and excessive tinkering...and possibly certain vendor's products..I'd find it more usefull to see what vendors people are getting these so called "bad" atties from and if they are relatively new what all they are doing to them and what juice they are using in them..and if they're dripping or using carts..I have a feeling that would lead to answers alot quicker..since it would show trends..

 

[Remie]

I now have a Tornado, I ordered the kit and received it last Friday. The atomizers are Joye, re-branded by Totally Wicked.

When comparing the two atomizers I received in the Tornado kit with the atomizers I received in my Joye 510 starter kits, I notice a few differences.

When looking inside the atomizers using a bright light and magnifying glass:

1. The wire mesh bridge on the Totally Wicked (thick gold band) 510 atomizer is more organized and looks denser. It looks like there is slightly more wire mesh on the TW atomizer bridge.

2. The wire mesh from the bridge that surrounds the white rectangle on the standard 510 atomizers from the Joye 510 starter kit looks messy and random with wire bits sticking up. The wire mesh on the Totally Wicked atomizer that surrounds the white rectangular piece in the center of the atomizer is contained, and looks secured with no bits of wire sticking up anywhere.

3. The white rectangular piece that sits under the wire mesh bridge looks slightly thicker on the Totally Wicked atomizer in comparison to the Joye 510 kit atomizer. (it's a very slight difference). Are they both made of the exact same material?

4. On two of my atomizers from Joye 510 kits the wire mesh on the bridge is cut, leaving a gap where I can see the metal bridge support. On a few of the others the wire mesh is sparse in places, and I can see the metal bridge support through the wire mesh.

5. The wicking material on several of the Joye 510 kit atomizers isn't neatly tucked into the hole surrounded by the white rectangular piece. It's frayed and sticking out. On two of the atomizers, it's resting up against the wall of the metal atomizer tube. On the TW atomizers, the wicking material is neat, not frayed and looks securely tucked into the hole surrounded by the white rectangular piece.
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Without pictures, that was hard to describe, but there are noticeable differences between the atomizers.

I haven't had any issues at all with the TW atomizers. Right out of the box they performed beautifully. I tried them both to ensure they were working and randomly chose one. I've been using it in my Tornado PV since Friday with no issues.

What does this mean? I can't state fact, only surmise that while they are both manufactured by the same company, Joye Tech has different manufacturing plants and levels of quality based on the resale objective.

Perhaps there is a reason why Janty and Totally Wicked (and perhaps other vendors who re-brand and carry these atomizers) charge more for certain 510 atomizers and can offer a warranty based on this? Perhaps there was a large batch of atomizers meant for the 510 starter kits, and individual sales that were not manufactured up to standard?

Is there anyway to confirm or dispute my observations? It would make sense that Joye Tech manufactures 510 atomizers at different places using slightly different materials, meant for different buyers at different price points. Is there a way to find out if this is the case?

Does anyone else who is having the problem also have Janty, TW or other "gold banded" 510 atomizers as well as the Joye atomizers without the gold band and can take a look into the atomizers with a light and magnifying glass and make a similar comparison?

Just food for thought.

 

[Drozd]

I now have a Tornado, I ordered the kit and received it last Friday. The atomizers are Joye, re-branded by Totally Wicked.

When comparing the two atomizers I received in the Tornado kit with the atomizers I received in my Joye 510 starter kits, I notice a few differences.

When looking inside the atomizers using a bright light and magnifying glass:

1. The wire mesh bridge on the Totally Wicked (thick gold band) 510 atomizer is more organized and looks denser. It looks like there is slightly more wire mesh on the TW atomizer bridge.

2. The wire mesh from the bridge that surrounds the white rectangle on the standard 510 atomizers from the Joye 510 starter kit looks messy and random with wire bits sticking up. The wire mesh on the Totally Wicked atomizer that surrounds the white rectangular piece in the center of the atomizer is contained, and looks secured with no bits of wire sticking up anywhere.

3. The white rectangular piece that sits under the wire mesh bridge looks slightly thicker on the Totally Wicked atomizer in comparison to the Joye 510 kit atomizer. (it's a very slight difference). Are they both made of the exact same material?

4. On two of my atomizers from Joye 510 kits the wire mesh on the bridge is cut, leaving a gap where I can see the metal bridge support. On a few of the others the wire mesh is sparse in places, and I can see the metal bridge support through the wire mesh.

5. The wicking material on several of the Joye 510 kit atomizers isn't neatly tucked into the hole surrounded by the white rectangular piece. It's frayed and sticking out. On two of the atomizers, it's resting up against the wall of the metal atomizer tube. On the TW atomizers, the wicking material is neat, not frayed and looks securely tucked into the hole surrounded by the white rectangular piece.
________

Without pictures, that was hard to describe, but there are noticeable differences between the atomizers.

I haven't had any issues at all with the TW atomizers. Right out of the box they performed beautifully. I tried them both to ensure they were working and randomly chose one. I've been using it in my Tornado PV since Friday with no issues.

What does this mean? I can't state fact, only surmise that while they are both manufactured by the same company, Joye Tech has different manufacturing plants and levels of quality based on the resale objective.

Perhaps there is a reason why Janty and Totally Wicked (and perhaps other vendors who re-brand and carry these atomizers) charge more for certain 510 atomizers and can offer a warranty based on this? Perhaps there was a large batch of atomizers meant for the 510 starter kits, and individual sales that were not manufactured up to standard?

Is there anyway to confirm or dispute my observations? It would make sense that Joye Tech manufactures 510 atomizers at different places using slightly different materials, meant for different buyers at different price points. Is there a way to find out if this is the case?

Does anyone else who is having the problem also have Janty, TW or other "gold banded" 510 atomizers as well as the Joye atomizers without the gold band and can take a look into the atomizers with a light and magnifying glass and make a similar comparison?

Just food for thought.

Ok first off real quick do me a favor...did you get these kits directly from Joye?...if not what is the vendor...thats what I was getting at..there are to my understanding joye atties, SLB 510 atties, and then at least one or 2 other clones...my theory is that there may be a vendor that has clones and is marketing them as joye atties..

As far as different facilities I believe it's all the same factory just different lines..the larger companies have dedicated lines and some have implimented some slight changes for their lines..but the vast majority all smaller vendors all come from one common pool..(i think if you order 500 pcs, you too can have a dedicated run with whatever branding you like)..so those atties produced on a dedicated line and being branded are gonna cost a bit more..
The atties are all hand made as far as my understanding goes..so yeah there might be some bad ones on occasion and a little variance..
But so far between thick gold band and just a regular gold connector (which I think the wide gold band is just easier to brand honestly)
I've 1 janty atty that has a wide band on it (that one has a # on the center post on the bottom of the atty), 2 vapor station (don't know if they are wide band or not as they have a wide colored band there (one has #s the other doesn't), 8 from nhaler (all plain 4 from starter sets, 4 spares), 1 cignot (spare) ...they all look identical when you look into them..

 

[LoveMeTender]

Anyone know whether the thin band Joye 510 attys are suppose to come in wrappers or in a box because I've gotten them in both.

 

[Drozd]

usually mine were in a wrapper in a box..some vendors try and eliminate the boxes to save on shipping space..when I've ordered singular spares they've just been in wrappers

 

[LoveMeTender]

usually mine were in a wrapper in a box..some vendors try and eliminate the boxes to save on shipping space..when I've ordered singular spares they've just been in wrappers

Thanks.....

 

[GoodDog]

LoveMeTender... I've received them both ways, too.

Remie... Very interesting observations! When I can get ahold of a magnifying glass I'll look inside mine. I wonder if the Joye 510 "kits" have the bad attys and that's why some people don't have problems?? Although I bought 3 somewhere else that weren't in kits and they are all bad. Maybe that's why some of the kits were priced so cheaply, $35.

Drozd... I agree that many complaints can be attributed to "new user error" but that's not what we're talking about. If you read this thread further back you'll see what we're saying. Sun Vapor (moderator) agrees that there is a problem and is working on it. I just don't want it to be chalked up to "user error" and not ensure that it's solved or never happens again.

There is a primer taste that eventually goes away and a dry taste when I need to top off. There is also a general taste with the 510s that I haven't noticed in the 801, 808, 902 or 901, but we're talking about a putrid, nasty taste and smell that lingers in the air that many experienced vapers have complained of.

I have an eGo on order as per your recommendation and Remie's recent experience. But I still would like to get to the bottom of this so others don't stop vaping because they think it's something they're doing wrong.

 

[UberDuper]

I said it earlier but that was pages and pages ago... There ARE bad atomizers out there. What many people are describing does not sound like these bad atomizers. I have one and I should start mailing it to all the people that think they have one to compare.

What many people seem to be describing is an atty that's been stuck on and 'cooked.' I have two of those.

The bad ones don't just taste bad, they're nauseating and taste downright toxic (maybe they are). The vapor is thick. It tastes toxic. It smells toxic and it lingers for hours. I got 1 of these bad ones in my first batch of 5 atomizers I bought. Thankfully it wasn't the first one I used.

UD.

 

[LoveMeTender]

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it, have you tried removing the wick and just dripping. Here's a video on how to do it -

YouTube - How to remove your Wick

 

[UberDuper]

Yes. I removed the wick and bridge from my bad one. Soaked it in PGA for a day. Didn't fix nothin.

I thought I read somewhere SunVapor said it was an issue with the nickel mesh. I don't remember if he said there was a chemical on there or what the problem specifically was. I think it was somewhere in this thread. Found it. Post #51

UD.

 

[GoodDog]

Drozd... There's another thread (one on MANY) that talks more about this problem.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ted-know-about-your-510-a-13.html#post1060079

It's a long thread and I always read these types from the last post forward so I have the most updated info first.

 

[GoodDog]

Yep, UberDuper, you are right! When you have one of these you know it!!! My house smelled toxic for days with one of them. Some are worse than others or maybe I just give up before they get that bad again.

 

[Drozd]

Drozd... There's another thread (one on MANY) that talks more about this problem.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ted-know-about-your-510-a-13.html#post1060079

It's a long thread and I always read these types from the last post forward so I have the most updated info first.

I've read both threads all post...and I read them in order to follow how they develop..

Again sun vaporer said that they're getting alot of complaints yeah..doesnt nessicarily mean that there are alot of bad atties..

lets face it, this forum and it's members are growing exponentially as are 510 users being that it's the most popular..
there's going to be a HIGH degree of new user error..
And it's obvious that people don't read everything as far as things posted here which also contributes to user error...
for example if you read everything on this issue...you wouldn't have linked a thread to make me aware of, that I've posted in a couple of times...
Again....I'm asking that instead of just saying "joye atty" or "joye starter kit" ..we state the vendor that these kits are coming from.. the reason being by just saying "joye atty" I think we're overcomplicating things and making it harder for ourselves...by saying which vendor we're getting things from we narrow down where the bad ones are coming from..maybe there's a vendor selling some knock off as "genuine joye"...maybe there's a vendor cutting corners on their quality control..
Honestly, after reading all the posts in both threads and several others...I'm seeing a trend in multi pack atties being mentioned over and over again as "bad"...

it just doesnt make sense that in 3 months with over a dozen joye atties ordered and in use from multiple vendors a couple in nov, a couple in dec, a couple in jan...if there were such an epidemicly bad batch out of the joye factory, as you're implying...that I and lots of others havent recieved one bad one..

 

[Drozd]

Yes. I removed the wick and bridge from my bad one. Soaked it in PGA for a day. Didn't fix nothin.

I thought I read somewhere SunVapor said it was an issue with the nickel mesh. I don't remember if he said there was a chemical on there or what the problem specifically was. I think it was somewhere in this thread. Found it. Post #51

UD.

Did you look to see if the venturi disk on the inside had melted...and if so tried to open it back up?

 

[raqball]

Maybe I just have bad 510 luck as it seams like one out of every 3 I have ever had produced the burnt metal taste no matter what I tried to do with them cleaning wise....

I finally gave up and changed over to 901's.... No more burnt metal taste....

Like I said, perhaps it was bad luck on my part but I am glad it happened as I love the 901's...

Kris

 

[Kurt]

Just to play devil's advocate, although there may be something to this, perhaps the issue is not necessarily the atty, but the battery. I have noticed, as have others, that on a larger-capacity batt, like 14500, the 510 atty seems to operate much better. This makes sense based on Scottbee's measurements of coil voltage with regular batts (3.1V) and 14500s (3.6V). I believe the 510 is designed to operate optimally at 3.7V, maybe higher, but does not reach this voltage with regular batts. The Li-ion batts, no matter the size are all about 4.2V fully charged. But higher capacity means higher current, at least initially, which will bring the working coil voltage up some.

Maybe this is just a matter, at least in part, of the 510 atty simply needing to get to an actual 3.7V. Proper wicking is, of course, a huge factor, which is the bane of new users, so I'm not discounting that. Nor am I discounting well-built attys compared to poorly built ones.

BTW, TW attys are all I use, and I'm hoping for another big sale from them soon, as I can certainly trust those attys. But I do get better flavor and vapage from a 14500 batt mod than a regular batt...and the mega bat is somewhere in between. All comparisons have been with an atty less than 3 days old. The 14500 batt mod seems to be able to better evaporate all components of the juice, while smaller batts always tended towards clogging more, and more off taste.

Just wanted to throw that out.

 

[UberDuper]

Did you look to see if the venturi disk on the inside had melted...and if so tried to open it back up?

No physical defects can be seen. The venturi is pristine.

UD.

 

[GoodDog]

That's a good point, Kurt. We've tried to keep discussion going in hopes someone will find a solution.

I use a Joye mega battery but I don't think that would make a difference. I read Scottbees thread about using an 808 battery but I don't have one to see if it makes a difference. I may have to buy one and a charger to see if that helps.

Remie... have you tried any of the bad tasting attys on your Tornado?

 

[GoodDog]

Drozd... I also have read every post in that thread and in many others dealing with this issue. Do you think I can remember everyone that has posted to a thread that has 125 posts? Because I didn't notice you had posted means nothing more than I didn't remember you. If you've never had this problem why are you so concerned about reading all the posts from those that have and posting that you haven't had a problem? Am I missing something here?

Joye is who I have the issue with not the supplier.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

If it helps any, I have gotten over 300 PM's with regards to this issue. It is not just a minor issue, rather the 510 foul tasting atomizer is THE worst and longest lasting manufactuer defect issue this Forum has ever scene.

When I have completed my testing I will report.


Sun