Burnt taste with all my attys

[Moriah]

I was terrified I'd run into one of the infamous atty's - in the first day of using one of the new ones (I bought a pack of three from a different vendor than I got my starter set from), there was this truly *awful* taste. I had recognized when my carts were going dry a few times by a slightly burned taste, but this was that multiplied by 15 and pretty sudden. But I was almost ready to go to sleep.

I left a full cart on it and went to bed. When I woke up, I reached for it out of habit (it's so nice to have vaping be my morning habit now instead of reaching for an analog!) and got halfway through an inhale on it when I remembered the awful taste and almost did a primer puff instead, but decided to actually taste it, and it tasted okay. Vaped on it for about 45 minutes before it started getting the nasty taste again. The cart only took 1 drop of fluid before puddling. Same cart filler. It's not wicking well at *all*. It seems like letting it sit with a full cart overnight got it to wick enough to vape, but I tried the same trick again and let it sit for two hours and it didn't wick enough for even one good vape. Tried dripping and still nasty.

I almost wonder if there is a continuum of defects or multiple ones being seen -- this wasn't primer taste or the taste I had with almost empty cart/dry atty. But after letting the wicking actually soak up some juice overnight, I got some good vaping out if it.... for awhile. From what the people with the truly notorious bad attys have said, if it was that problem then the 45 minutes I got out of it wouldn't have happened.

But jsut to rule out that problem, since many of you guys have said that the SLB atomizers seem to work without that problem... anyone know of a place that sells the SLB atomizers in copper?

 

[JRWReich]

It seems to me that they have to be bad batches from all kinds of suppliers. Someone complained that they had bad ones from Cignot. My four bad atty's came from Ecigsupply "for all your e-cig needs" and I was hurting pretty bad for my good ones to come from Cignot. (and I have to say the atty I immediately started vaping on is the best one I have ever had.) Kind of makes me mad that every atty I bought for a backup was bad

Having said that I've been trying to get something going with the bad ones. Someone said that they are not wicking well, and only hold a drop or two of liquid. Mine seem to hold about 9 drops before I even see moisture forming on the ceramic. With 9 drops full I get 2 drags that seem normal and then ...THE HORRID STENCH OF DEATH returns.

 

[5th Element]

I'm so frustrated that I'm getting ready to give up on the 510! I've done everything I can think of to get rid of the nasty burnt flavor I get after vaping awhile with my 510. I've tried nearly every cart mod in this forum, bought new atties, new juices (different suppliers) and still get this taste. It leaves my mouth almost sore and coated with a puke film. It's fine for the first few drops of juice but when the atty heats up (it seems) the taste comes back.

I soaked one atty in Crest Mouthwash and blow the other attys out often, but still no luck. The taste doesn't feel right and I'm getting quite concerned. When I do a dry burn the smell of something (toxic smelling) doesn't stop.

I need to figure this out soon or I'm afraid I'll go back to analogs and that would break my heart!!! Should I buy a different PV? Please help!

yeah this happened too me. new atty. diff juices. everything was making me gag all of of sudden. i sold my 510. maybee a bunch of bad attys going around at the time idk. but i couldnt do it anymore. it mighta been my taste buds tho. others said it tasted ok

 

[MalabarFront]

I almost wonder if there is a continuum of defects or multiple ones being seen

I believe there's something to that. For example, I didn't see any problems until I switched e-juice. The Virginia 18 mg PG from Totally Wicked worked fine with the attys that came with my Tornado kit. Then I got in e-juice from another vendor and my problems with bad vaping started.

It could be that this batch of attys was right on the edge and the darker juice I'm now using isn't getting vaporized quite right, causing me to vape too hard or too long, causing the atty to overheat and burn out. I haven't seen any complaints about this other e-juice so I have to guess that it isn't the e-juice by itself that's the problem.

I've got e-juice on order from yet another vendor along with blue foam to see whether maybe changing cart filler will change the equation. If not then maybe the SLB attys will make a difference...

 

[jimmyzee]

I was terrified I'd run into one of the infamous atty's - in the first day of using one of the new ones (I bought a pack of three from a different vendor than I got my starter set from), there was this truly *awful* taste. I had recognized when my carts were going dry a few times by a slightly burned taste, but this was that multiplied by 15 and pretty sudden. But I was almost ready to go to sleep.

I left a full cart on it and went to bed. When I woke up, I reached for it out of habit (it's so nice to have vaping be my morning habit now instead of reaching for an analog!) and got halfway through an inhale on it when I remembered the awful taste and almost did a primer puff instead, but decided to actually taste it, and it tasted okay. Vaped on it for about 45 minutes before it started getting the nasty taste again. The cart only took 1 drop of fluid before puddling. Same cart filler. It's not wicking well at *all*. It seems like letting it sit with a full cart overnight got it to wick enough to vape, but I tried the same trick again and let it sit for two hours and it didn't wick enough for even one good vape. Tried dripping and still nasty.

I almost wonder if there is a continuum of defects or multiple ones being seen -- this wasn't primer taste or the taste I had with almost empty cart/dry atty. But after letting the wicking actually soak up some juice overnight, I got some good vaping out if it.... for awhile. From what the people with the truly notorious bad attys have said, if it was that problem then the 45 minutes I got out of it wouldn't have happened.

But jsut to rule out that problem, since many of you guys have said that the SLB atomizers seem to work without that problem... anyone know of a place that sells the SLB atomizers in copper?

gl
You can get copper Attys here Copper or at TW JOYE510 Ecig Atomizers

 

[JCUNITED]

I have learned to keep atty's on hand man i hated it when my atty went bad and i didn't have an atty to Vape.

 

[MalabarFront]

gl
You can get copper Attys here Copper or at TW JOYE510 Ecig Atomizers

However, these are the Joye atomizers in question. I got my SLB 510 attys at vaporkings.com but mine are black - I didn't see copper.

But I wouldn't have been choosy - I just want to get back to vaping normally. I tried several sites before I found one that had even had any SLBs in stock.

 

[skunkjar]

So I take it that this problem hasn't cleared up yet? Does anyone know if cignot's attys are SLB or joye?

 

[Remie]

cignot sells Joye 510 kits and accessories.

Moriah - It takes a little while for me to get slammed with the "noxious stench", it doesn't happen on the first draw.

Usually - it's 4 to 5 good long draws. When I vape, I take 4 to 5 second slow and steady draws. I've been fooled into thinking everything is OK and the problem has suddenly disappeared.... then NOT ... the noxious taste and smell smacks me in the face like a ton of bricks. The smell lingers in the room for a long time.

I have not experienced the problem with the higher priced Joye atomizers that Janty or Totally wicked sells. Janty sells a Joye 510 atomizer with a 6 month warranty, but it costs more. TW sells a higher priced one as well, with a shorter warranty, but I believe it's the same atomizer.

The problem has been reported with TW multi-pack atties, which are not warranted.

The problem doesn't seem limited to any one supplier, it's been widely reported and experienced with different suppliers.

Drozd mentioned in an earlier post, if you want a Joye atomizer it may be worth getting one from Janty at the higher price with a 6 month warranty. I agree - it's worth it to me at least. If there is a problem, 6 months is a long warranty for an atomizer.

madvapes.com sells the SLB 510 atomizers. I purchased a bunch of them and I haven't had the problem with those either.

 

[MalabarFront]

So, I got my order of blue foam and e-juice from StrictlyEJuice and I'm starting some experiments. The juice I'm trying out with my current problematic Joye atty is Virginia 18 mg PG. I start by blowing out the atty to get rid of any residual liquid, fit an empty cart with blue foam, add four or five drops of the new e-juice and start vaping.

And I'm getting vapor. It's a hard draw (but no different than it has ever been for me).

Now I'll try the new e-juice in a cart with my original polyfill that I had rinsed and dried. Again, I'm getting vapor. (And in both cases, I'm feeling like I'm actually getting nicotine whereas with the previous darker e-juice it was like sucking on an empty straw.)

Now this particular atty was fairly unused so it had never gotten to the point where I was getting any acrid taste. But it still doesn't seem right because it takes 3 or 4 seconds for the coil to glow orange.

My conclusion? Until can try the SLB attys I have on order, my working hypothesis is that I have a bunch of marginal atomizers that aren't up to the task of fully vaporizing certain e-liquids.

 

[UberDuper]

/facedesk 8-o

 

[Remie]

I am interested in what you discover, Malabar - I have found that the dark, thick "sweet food" e-liquids just didn't cut it for me.

You are having the "hard draw" issue as well? That was one of the first things I noticed before the "acrid funk" took over. It was suggested that the atomizer was running too hot. I sacrificed one and took it apart... nothing was melted. The plastic venturi was in tact, not melted at all, it was clean and the hole was fine. So, the atomizer didn't "melt" and fuse the hole - which shot the "hot atty" theory down in my case. No loss, because the atty was un-usable due to the horrid stench. That smell is enough to make me cough and gag, no exaggeration. It would be interesting to find out what made the smell linger in the room for so long...

Sun Vaper should be posting the results of his probing into this problem soon - and it is a wide-spread problem.

You will probably notice that the SLB atties do have an "airy" draw compared to the Joye. Well, I noticed that the draw on the SLB atties is much easier compared to the "acrid funk" atties. I'll be interested to read your take on them.

There is a thread here regarding "dry burning" which explains the orange glow and how fast it should or shouldn't glow - I'll dig it up and post the link for you, if you haven't seen it already. Not for cleaning via the dry-burn method, just so you can get an idea of how fast or slow the atomizer should glow. It was interesting reading.

 

[Remie]

/facedesk 8-o

It's OK, UD... I'll make you some tea (like I did for GoodDog) and give you a warm blankie... it will all be ok....

 

[BeForeverSocial]

Hi I am new to this forum..nice topic..

 

[CaptJay]

Its a good topic cos its relevant to many
Have to say though - I got a bunch of 510 attys from cignot and all have been fine. The horrid foul ones, which may have come from ANY supplier, even cignot (they all sell em they dont manufacture so I dont hold any one supplier to be at fault personally) , might have been sent a batch with that nickel mesh thingy mentioned a few threads ago (its late, I can't link when its late). If there ARE a bad bunch then it could be one batch sent to one supplier or one SHIPMENT sent to multiple suppliers.
If multiple suppliers are requesting increased stock due to increased demand here in the US then maybe they are getting 'rush jobs'. I'm not knocking Joye, or Joye knockoff people, or the Chinese, but in the manufacturing industry a spike or surge in demand often means a loss of quality control in an effort to fulfil demand and maximise profit. It's happened before in many industries and I see no difference in this one as far as that goes.
It then stands to reason that the most popular suppliers, the ones selling the most, will be getting the newest shipments and..you see where I'm going with this.
The end user (us) and the middle man (sales) are going to continue to be frustrated until the manufacturer (in China) gets his end sorted out.
The only solution to this that I can see, apart from the current 'take pot luck', is to have a US manufacturer with masses of cash available making them to a higher standard that can be controlled and measured. Can't see that happening for a while, if ever. Thank you FDA and anti smoking groups
Btw - if the 510 Joye becomes less popular due to these issues (while there are obviously manufacturing issues in regard to the nickel mesh on some of the atty bridges, I still believe a lot are user error, but not all), the next most popular model is likely to suffer the same problems for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[Res0785p]

I received 3 joye 510 attys from Cignot and they seem to be ok so maybe it was just a bad batch. The last two had to throw away just couldn't get them to work or get rid of the funk.

 

[MalabarFront]

I am interested in what you discover, Malabar - I have found that the dark, thick "sweet food" e-liquids just didn't cut it for me.

You are having the "hard draw" issue as well? That was one of the first things I noticed before the "acrid funk" took over. It was suggested that the atomizer was running too hot. I sacrificed one and took it apart... nothing was melted. The plastic venturi was in tact, not melted at all, it was clean and the hole was fine. So, the atomizer didn't "melt" and fuse the hole - which shot the "hot atty" theory down in my case.

Tonight I'm going to try mixing the darker all-PG e-liquids with some pure VG that I just got to see whether that makes a difference on my "marginal" attys. (Although I'm more concerned about nicotine delivery than getting a cloud of vapor, but in my case lack of one seemed to go hand-in-hand with lack of the other.)

One thing I picked up here or on a different thread was that the overly-hot atty was melting 510 wicks and carts as well. Have you noticed semi-circular depressions on the top of your carts? That's a sign that I've noticed on some of my carts.

It seems like a paradox, though, that an overly-hot atty would do a poor job of vaporizing... I'm wondering whether there is too much resistance in the part of the circuit that's not the coil. This might lead to both too much heat in a non-operative part of the atty and yet too little heat in the coil where the vaporizing happens.

I checked my attys and found them to be about 2.6-2.7 ohms. Anyone know if this is normal for a 510?

 

[rosesense]

Sorry I don't have time to read through all the replies right now but I now have 1st hand knowledge of the burnt business. OMG, was that nasty. Happened to me last night with an atty that is only 2 weeks old and not from my usual sup (Cignot).

After much cleaning and checking things, I figured out it was caused by little pieces of the wick under the bridge (not the polyfill filler). I am guessing that either hard draws sucked the wick out or maybe because this atty does get hotter than mine from Cignot, it was sticking to the coil (or whatever it is called) and burning.

I love my 510 but am going to try to research the cartomisers to see if anyone has had a problem similar to this with the carts. If not, I will just use my KR8.

I still feel queasy from that horrid smell/taste of the burnt wicking material. I am wondering if it can be good for us to use that even when it stays in place and isn't burnt.

 

[TheRealZero]

Me too me too

Attys were perfect, than I changed to a sweeter and darker liquid (dr pepper too Butter rum and Strawberry) and now one atty has the taste of death and the other one has a mild bad taste, regardless of my cleaning methods and priming. I think we might be onto something here with the dark juice theory. What that something is though I haven't the foggiest (or is that vapeiest?)

 

[joniv6363]

I also joined this site for the same reason atty tastes burnt all of them (5) 901dse this is patheic i dont know if its harmful or not... any ideas anyone Help please!!!