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***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***
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Educated and a political enthusiast, I call this an informative learning and a potential guide for many to plan.
Can't tell if your serious. I pick not to shorten this discussion and my response.
No way this stuff would pass in the places where the anti-vaping stuff is passing. But then, if they "split the difference" and vote for a "reasonable compromise" the compromise would be leave us the hell alone rather than build half a wall against us instead of a whole wall at once.
And they could not keep declaring our stories of vaping helping us irrelevant, or countering our arguments that vaping is good with "Well, we're not banning it, we're all for harm reduction, as long as ....[INSERT] half-wall [/(at least.)]
I'm reminded of how my sister routinely got rid of cops searching her house and poking around (she had a son on probation.)
Her usual method was to start asking them for all kinds of help and advice. One time when that didn't work she started trying to give them kittens. They always bailed real fast. THAT is what gov't does when you ask for help! (With the exception of Congressmen who help out military folks with the red tape.)
You know what might be interesting?
A little investigative reporting. Vapers going to office of these political folk with hidden camera, or audio, and finding out what they really think and/or just waiting for an inevitable slip up in whatever it is they have to say about vaping, when compared to smoking. Get about 4 to 8 of those type of interviews together, edit it into one program, upload it to that internet thing, and let it go viral.
Maybe throw in a few clips of people vaping indoors and no one even noticing, or no one complaining. Perhaps an occasional passerby's compliment on the smell.
Ya know, the reality that us vapors are use to. The one that general public has a right to know about.
We could call it vaping education 101.
(My proactive eCig advocate self likes to dream.
Let's see how they like dealing with underhanded tactics)
A little investigative reporting. Vapers going to office of these political folk with hidden camera, or audio, and finding out what they really think and/or just waiting for an inevitable slip up in whatever it is they have to say about vaping, when compared to smoking. Get about 4 to 8 of those type of interviews together, edit it into one program, upload it to that internet thing, and let it go viral.
Maybe throw in a few clips of people vaping indoors and no one even noticing, or no one complaining. Perhaps an occasional passerby's compliment on the smell.
Ya know, the reality that us vapors are use to. The one that general public has a right to know about.
We could call it vaping education 101.
(My proactive eCig advocate self likes to dream.
Let's see how they like dealing with underhanded tactics)
Father Kearney's awesome... and he's a vaper himself!
For more information please contact:
Fr. Jack Kearney, M.Div., CATC IV, CATE
frintervention @ gmail.com
Yes I just did........
Keep positive we got this one people.
I know it's haokey, but let's send out some
positive collective energy in our favor call it prayer visualization.
But let's send some energy as well seeing this Ab1500 going down
in defeat as it now stands.
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Unfortunately, this will never be the case. Look around you, the gov't regulates people which lends itself everything to include yourself. In regulating the sales of guns to vape gear ask yourself, are they regulating product or law abiding stand up citizens with no criminal history (us) from purchasing.
I, as well as many, feel we need Government. As veteran and law abiding US Citizen, I am not hell bent on bringing down the "suit curtain", just cleaning it up. The majority of the public sector is just tired of the bureaucratic mess. I support justice, unity, police protection and a Government set in place working within the laws of the Constitution.
But for ....s sake, look at the mess we have. When harden criminals walk the streets and rape and pillage at a high rate of speed and some ......... politician in Cali is concerned with e-juice or my son whom just graduated from West Point wasn't allowed to pray in high school, we have issues. We are an embarrassment to the world, financially and as once proud Nation that others looked to.
I just hope it gets cleaned up before Joe Q Public says, enough. is enough.
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They've been building walls slowly ever since the first SG Report. They tried in '09 to build it all at once. Now they'll use the plan that's worked with cigarettes. A few bricks here and there each day and, in now time at all, you'll get where you wanyed to be in the first place. An indoor smoking ban here, a sales ban there, adult ID check somewhere else, some sin takes oxerthere. Fill in the gaps and they eventually get what they want, it just takes time.
It all worked because of a gullible population. Most people don't have a clue about the big picture. No one care really til their own ox is getting gored
Take it to the next level !
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This literally made my morning. Best thing that could have happened at this point, imo.
What I fear most for our youth is not whether may get access to e cig equipment, but that 50 years from now they'll consider these "the good old days.
One of the WORST things we can do is keep preaching that it does no good to contact your elected officials, they are all bought-and-paid-for, etc etc.
They are our employees. What they do is our responsibility. If we ignore their voting records in favor of their ads, WE are rewarding them for being bought and paid for (because they use the money to buy OUR attention!)
This generation needs to be taught, as those before should have been and those long-before WERE taught, that we need to keep track of what our employees are doing.
Agreed! Problem is even as we vote the old "employees" out, the new ones come in. I reckon, not all of them start corrupt, though MANY of them are easily converted and leave corrupt! If you are not a fly on the wall, it is just so hard to know what is going on behind closed doors!
True. Many a politician has entered office with lofty goals and determined to be "different," only to find out that they cannot get anything done unless they play the game. I've come to believe that the power rests not with our elected officials, but with unelected officials who keep their jobs year after year (judges, agencies, commissions, the federal reserve and the lobbyists who woo and cajole them.)
An Intelligible Principle To Restrain Unelected Government Officials - Forbes
From Administrative State to Constitutional Government
I think the new Njoy commercial about friends not letting friends smoke, is a much more effective commercial than any of the Blu commercials. It comes closes to many of our beliefs about vaping without crossing the line that Big Brother would stop:
http://adage.com/article/media/njoy-e-cig-tv-spot-insists-friends-friends-smoke/290886/
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I caught a bit of that commercial the other day. I think it's great.
That article is so frustrating. E-cigarettes cannot make health claims in ads. E-cigarettes cannot make smoking cessation claims in ads. ANTZ say that e-cigarette should not be able to "glamorize" vaping in ads.
So what, exactly, is left for the e-cigarette companies to advertise about their product? Maybe if the Blu commercial had been done by a nobody actor (which was already pretty much the case, no offense to Mr. Dorff) they would have been OK with it?
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