CALIFORNIA VAPERS: Things are getting ugly...

[Katya]

I am going to Contact Mr. Leno via Snail Mail with a Delivery Confirmation receipt.

Me too.

 

[zoiDman]

Are you sure about that?

Yeah... That is what the guy in the White Econoline Van behind Home Depot told me. But that was 5 Years ago, so things might be Different Now.

 

[Katya]

Yeah... That is what the guy in the White Econoline Van behind Home Depot told me. But that was 5 Years ago, so things might be Different Now.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - Just like Mr. Leno's web site has this Page...

Constituent Services | Senator Mark Leno

... So should Your Senator's.

 

[Lessifer]

BTW - Had an Ex-Smoker - Now Vaper contact me and ask why a Vapor/Non-Smoker should care if the Minimum age should go from 18 to 21.

Besides telling Him that I felt an Adult (18+) should have the Right to purchase a Tobacco Product by virtue of them being an Adult. I also explained that when the FDA Deems e-liquids that contain Nicotine to be defined as a "Tobacco Product", that e-liquids that contained Nicotine would also fall under this CA Legislation.

So you would Need to be 21+ to buy e-liquids that contain Nicotine in California.

At least that is the Way I see it.

I think you know how I feel about the subject, but yeah, I tell them that. There's a time and place for the other discussion. Also, if sb5 passes vapor products are tobacco products, so they don't have to wait for the FDA. Plus the 18 is old enough to fight for our country reason.

 

[Katya]

Well, that was fun!

Goodnight, Gentlemen. Off to compose my letter and back to my very depressing novel.

 

[zoiDman]

Well, that was fun!

Goodnight, Gentlemen. Off to compose my letter and back to my very depressing novel.

I think I shall do the Same.

Night Kat. Night All.

 

[Lessifer]

 

[Robino1]

I'm praying for all you Californians. It seems as though whatever California gets away with, the other states follow. SMH

Thanks for starting the new thread. I couldn't change the title of the old without input from the OP.

 

[Uma]

And another question! I'm going to make some phone calls tomorrow--I need talking points. What exactly are we opposing? Per Stefan's instructions, it's just SB-5 (Senate Bill 5) and AB-6 (Assembly Bill 6) that are in play right now. However, per our dear Kitty (and CASAA) there's more...

Any thoughts?

"Here we go again!!!

I guess that since they didn't like the amendments to the other bill, they split it up into pieces...

Here are the (6) New Bills introduced in California after the SB140 (Leno) hearing outcome.
SB-5 Bill Text - SBX2-5 Electronic cigarettes.
SB-6 Smoking in the workplace Bill Text - SBX2-6 Smoking in the workplace.
SB-7 Tobacco products: minimum legal age Bill Text - SBX2-7 Tobacco products: minimum legal age.
SB-8 Tobacco use programs Bill Text - SBX2-8 Tobacco use programs.
SB-9 Local taxes: authorization: cigarettes and tobacco products Bill Text - SBX2-9 Local taxes: authorization: cigarettes and tobacco products.
SB-10 Cigarette and tobacco product licensing: fees and funding. Bill Text - SBX2-10 Cigarette and tobacco product licensing: fees and funding.

Bill Text - SBX2-5 Electronic cigarettes.
leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
118925. (a) (1) It is unlawful for any person to smoke a tobacco product in any vehicle of a passeng...

(taken from a post on the CASAA FB page)"

Thanks for the list.
One of the co-authors of the age limit bill, is also working diligently to hand over all tax-fine-fee profit to the state, (Mmj) leaving counties with only their share of sales tax after accounting & handling fees are withdrawn. Oh, plus a .5% out of 30% to each county sheriff the state deems appropriate. (Some counties will receive .20%, some zero, it's all up to the state). This puts counties in a hunger state... billions of tax revenue rolling in, but counties receiving paltry sums, if that, even though it is the counties who created the cash flow. The bill above, encouraging counties to rake in more, is an incentive ploy.
I bring this up, so you'll know why they're being arrogant & not worried about vapor businesses closing. The public health is already setting up house for other fields of endeavor. Turning a blind eye to the other endeavors doesn't help in all cases.
My point? We need to reach out to the county officials, city councils, and educate them on the math. The counties should be donating a small percentage to the state (all 58 counties), not the state to the county.

 

[zoiDman]

I think we should Confirm that this date is correct.

Because the Bill Status has a Date of August 24th which is a Monday.

Bill Status

And the "Daily File" for shows it on calendar for the 24th also.


APPROPRIATIONS


MONDAY, AUGUST 24, 2015
LARA, Chair
10 a.m. — John L. Burton Hearing Room (4203)


SECOND EXTRAORDINARY SESSION


S.B.X.2. No. 5 Leno. Electronic cigarettes.

S.B.X.2. No. 6 Monning. Smoking in the workplace.


S.B.X.2. No. 7 Hernandez. Tobacco products: minimum legal age.


S.B.X.2. No. 8 Liu. Tobacco use programs.


(CONTINUED ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE)



S.B.X.2. No. 10 Beall. Cigarette and tobacco product licensing: fees and funding.

http://senate.ca.gov/sites/senate.ca.gov/files/dailyfile/s20150824dailyfile.pdf

 

[Lessifer]

I think we should Confirm that this date is correct.

Because the Bill Status has a Date of August 24th which is a Monday.

Bill Status

And the "Daily File" for shows it on calendar for the 24th also.


APPROPRIATIONS


MONDAY, AUGUST 24, 2015
LARA, Chair
10 a.m. — John L. Burton Hearing Room (4203)


SECOND EXTRAORDINARY SESSION


S.B.X.2. No. 5 Leno. Electronic cigarettes.

S.B.X.2. No. 6 Monning. Smoking in the workplace.


S.B.X.2. No. 7 Hernandez. Tobacco products: minimum legal age.


S.B.X.2. No. 8 Liu. Tobacco use programs.


(CONTINUED ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE)



S.B.X.2. No. 10 Beall. Cigarette and tobacco product licensing: fees and funding.

http://senate.ca.gov/sites/senate.ca.gov/files/dailyfile/s20150824dailyfile.pdf

I copied it from a post on fb. Sometimes the bill status takes awhile to update, but you're right, we should confirm.

 

[Lessifer]

Actually @zoiDman the flyer is for Abx2 6 not Sbx2 5, the assembly bill of the same design.

 

[zoiDman]

Actually @zoiDman the flyer is for Abx2 6 not Sbx2 5, the assembly bill of the same design.

I don't know if things have been Changed? Or if there is something else which will be done on the 25Th?

But everything that I see related to these Bills all seem to reference 8-24-15

Bill Status

I just don't want a Bunch of people to plan for the 25th. Only to find that it was/is the day before.

 

[Lessifer]

I don't know if things have been Changed? Or if there is something else which will be done on the 25Th?

But everything that I see related to these Bills all seem to reference 8-24-15

Bill Status

I just don't want a Bunch of people to plan for the 25th. Only to find that it was/is the day before.

Bill Status
Abx2-6 not Sbx2-6, the Assembly bill, not the Senate bill. I think the idea is to hit the Assembly bill in the Public Health committee instead of going after the Senate bill in the Appropriations committee.

 

[zoiDman]

Bill Status
Abx2-6 not Sbx2-6, the Assembly bill, not the Senate bill. I think the idea is to hit the Assembly bill in the Public Health committee instead of going after the Senate bill in the Appropriations committee.

OK... Know I see what is going on.

This is what was Confusing me. Because Pro-Con merits of bills are not really argued in Appropriation Committees hearings. Just Financial Impact/Funding issues.

 

[zoiDman]

Bill Status
Abx2-6 not Sbx2-6, the Assembly bill, not the Senate bill. I think the idea is to hit the Assembly bill in the Public Health committee instead of going after the Senate bill in the Appropriations committee.

So am I correct that ABX2-6 will be heard by this Committee on August 25th?

Public Health and Developmental Services - 2nd Extraordinary Session | Assembly Internet

 

[Inni]

I tell them that if our government deems 18-year-olds mature enough to fight our wars, then they should also be allowed to have a beer and a smoke.

That's the way I see it.

I could not agree more! I second, third, and fourth that statement!!

 

[Lessifer]

So am I correct that ABX2-6 will be heard by this Committee on August 25th?

Public Health and Developmental Services - 2nd Extraordinary Session | Assembly Internet

I believe that is correct.

 

[zoiDman]

I believe that is correct.

Well then it would seem if a Person was only going to do One Contact, that they should contact those that are Members of This Committee.

Public Health and Developmental Services - 2nd Extraordinary Session | Assembly Internet