Can You Explain Temp Control Vaping to an Old Fart ?

[Eskie]

I thought titanium was ok back when I used it. Ss is definitely better though, but titanium wasn't all that bad. Ni200 sucked for sure.

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I came later to the TC wire stuff, so I never dealt with building with Ni or Ti. Fortunately for me I went straight to SS when I "discovered" TC.

SS can be more "challenging" for TC given the its low TCR, but many modern TC enabled chips can handle it well eliminating that issue. From my perspective I like stocking just one type of wire for convenience, and given the ease of build, compatibility with both TC and wattage (variable or fixed mech) modes, and ease of cleaning with a light dry burn, it's really all I ever use. I have a bunch of Kanthal I bought when I first started, but haven't used it in forever. Fortunately spools of wire like Kanthal are cheap, so I don't feel bad about just leaving it in the bottom of my stash.

 

[tj99959]

Question:
How well does SS work with say a ~2 ohm coil????
What gauge would you use?
Remember that I still wrap around silica string.

 

[Beamslider]

Question:
How well does SS work with say a ~2 ohm coil????
What gauge would you use?
Remember that I still wrap around silica string.

It usually doesn't work at all at 2 ohm. Most mods only do TC up to 1.5 ohm. Lower than that usually works better.

 

[stols001]

I don't see why it WOULD'T work, I use coils 1.0 and above. As far as the gauge, depending on your build, I might use a smaller gauge due to a longer ramp up time if you use something very heavy duty, but I see no reason why TC SHOULDN'T work with that resistance. It's really not based around resistance but more the temp you set it at, so things get a little different. With that said, I think you can get TC working well with your settings, not build, so if you wanted to go a little lower resistance, I think that would be perfectly fine. I had one coil where I was targeting 1.0 but ended up (after vaping it a little, the resistance finally stabilized at around 0.64 and I was perfectly happy with the vape and could vape it MTL style. So I'm not sure you need a 2.0 build, honestly.

Please keep in mind I have limited experience with TC (though I like it so far) so I'm not sure I'm going to be giving you the best answers.... Best of luck, though

Anna

ETA: See, I am corrected already. I do most of my builds targeting around 1.0 though, and it works fine. Sorry to be incorrect....

 

[KenD]

Question:
How well does SS work with say a ~2 ohm coil????
What gauge would you use?
Remember that I still wrap around silica string.

For mech use? Otherwise I really don't see a valid reason to try to hit a specific resistance.

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[Bronze]

Question:
How well does SS work with say a ~2 ohm coil????
What gauge would you use?
Remember that I still wrap around silica string.

It would also make for a very large coil. To give you an idea, a 0.5 ohm SS coil is 7 wraps at 2.0mm diameter.

 

[tj99959]

For mech use? Otherwise I really don't see a valid reason to try to hit a specific resistance.

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Yes, for a mechanical mod with a RDA that only works as a MTL atomizer.
(also it has a very small build deck)

 

[KenD]

Yes, for a mechanical mod with a RDA that only works as a MTL atomizer.

I understand. Ss316 has about half the resistance of kanthal so you could build a 2 ohm coil but would need thinner/more wire than you're used to. Check steam-engine to build something with a heat flux that will suit you.

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[Beamslider]

32 awg ss around 11 to 12 wraps at 2 mm would do 2 ohm. pretty thin wire though

 

[tj99959]

32 awg ss around 11 to 12 wraps at 2 mm would do 2 ohm. pretty thin wire though

So SS wire is pretty much out of the question with that atomizer.

This is what my build looks like.
5/6 wrap with 30ga kanthal (1.8 ohms) wrapped around 4 strands of 0.8mm silica string

 

[stols001]

I don't think it's out of the question if you just lowered the resistance a bit? The thing about TC (I didn't believe it myself) is that resistance is less important than temperature. If you select the ramp-up wattage to something that suits your preferences and set your temp at a comfortable temp for you, it's easier to adjust your vape using wattage pre-heat and temp, so unless that atomier MUST have a 2.0 coil in it to function, there isn't really any reason not to build it down to 1.5, if that's the highest build you can do for TC, because you are controlling your vape output using temp/preheat and airflow and etc.

That is my understanding and honestly, I've experienced it. The 0.64 coil I made vaped pretty similarly to my higher resistance coils, I kept airflow low, and preheat low (10 watts) and temp low (around 300--350) and got a perfectly good vape, very similar to what I was vaping before (but I like a cool vape). I got decent vape production not huge clouds. Length of draw matters a bit, too, and sure, resistance plays SOME role but I don't see why lowering the resistance of your coil by 0.5 is so bothersome? Sorry if I'm not understanding something here...

Anna

 

[tj99959]

I don't think it's out of the question if you just lowered the resistance a bit? The thing about TC (I didn't believe it myself) is that resistance is less important than temperature. If you select the ramp-up wattage to something that suits your preferences and set your temp at a comfortable temp for you, it's easier to adjust your vape using wattage pre-heat and temp, so unless that atomier MUST have a 2.0 coil in it to function, there isn't really any reason not to build it down to 1.5, if that's the highest build you can do for TC, because you are controlling your vape output using temp/preheat and airflow and etc.

That is my understanding and honestly, I've experienced it. The 0.64 coil I made vaped pretty similarly to my higher resistance coils, I kept airflow low, and preheat low (10 watts) and temp low (around 300--350) and got a perfectly good vape, very similar to what I was vaping before (but I like a cool vape). I got decent vape production not huge clouds. Length of draw matters a bit, too, and sure, resistance plays SOME role but I don't see why lowering the resistance of your coil by 0.5 is so bothersome? Sorry if I'm not understanding something here...

Anna

The only TC from that old Caravela is what goes into your mouth. If the vape is to hot, you add resistance. If the vape is to cold, you reduce the resistance. There are no other adjustments to be made.

 

[VictorViper]

The only TC from that old Caravela is what goes into your mouth. If the vape is to hot, you add resistance. If the vape is to cold, you reduce the resistance. There are no other adjustments to be made.

You can probably understand the confusion here, given the thread topic...

 

[stols001]

Yes, I did get confused, thank you.

Anna

 

[tj99959]

You can probably understand the confusion here, given the thread topic...

Yes I do.
But my question was is SS wire a viable option to kanthal in MTL atomizers (higher resistance) when not using TC.

 

[stols001]

You can use stainless steel, not nickel or titanium. But if you are not using TC I don't see the point, kanthal's easier to work with anyway and if that's what you are used to, why use another type of wire?

Anna

 

[Beamslider]

So SS wire is pretty much out of the question with that atomizer.

This is what my build looks like.
5/6 wrap with 30ga kanthal (1.8 ohms) wrapped around 4 strands of 0.8mm silica string

You would have to go down to 36 ga in SS to get that.

 

[tj99959]

You would have to go down to 36 ga in SS to get that.

Thanks for that!
Sittin here wonderin if I can even see 36ga wire.

 

[Eskie]

Thanks for that!
Sittin here wonderin if I can even see 36ga wire.

People do wrap Claptons with 36G wire. No idea how they do it. Maybe they're all fighter pilots with 20/10 vision. And really steady hands.

No, forget SS for a high resistance small coil build like that with a silica wick.

 

[tj99959]

No, forget SS for a high resistance small coil build like that with a silica wick.

What I figured. It's just that it's frustrating being satisfied getting what I'm gettin when everyone keeps talking about all this new fangled stuff.