Can't see the Deeming forest for the Deeming trees?

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Two_Bears

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Imagine an ideal world in which government followed a scientifically informed and benevolent course of action, utilizing tobacco tax revenue to promote vaping and subsidize innovation. In which public health followed their true mandate and used their media access to validate vaping as the ultimate development in smoking cessation. A world where corruption and self enrichment did not drive regulatory agencies, and the mass media reported proven fact rather than sensationalism and hysteria born of puritanical ideology and ignorance ...

Its not easy John, though we do try ...

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Rico. Wishing things were different than they were is only wasting time and energy we can never get back.

I look at reality as what it really is abd deal with it.
 

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned as an outcome/purpose in all of this...deeming them as tobacco gives insurance companies no reason not to charge extra in premiums, as in tobacco user fees....
They already started doing that to me long before the Demon Regulations...
Cotinine testing - Day three of zero nicotine

I've been zero nicotine for 5 months now.
Even though I can afford their extortion fee should I decide that I want to pay it.

Either way, they win.

But if I get Alzheimers or Parkinsons my wife is going to sue the crap out of them.
And when I say them, I mean ALL of them.
 

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    They already started doing that to me long before the Demon Regulations...
    Cotinine testing - Day three of zero nicotine

    I've been zero nicotine for 5 months now.
    Even though I can afford their extortion fee should I decide that I want to pay it.

    Either way, they win.

    But if I get Alzheimers or Parkinsons my wife is going to sue the crap out of them.
    And when I say them, I mean ALL of them.

    If you are worried abt Alzheimer stay active. All it takes is 15 min a day...just walk briskly.
     

    DC2

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    If you are worried abt Alzheimer stay active. All it takes is 15 min a day...just walk briskly.
    I appreciate the advice, but I'd prefer to use nicotine.
    It improves memory, concentration, and attention, even in non-smokers.

    What's not to like?
     

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    I'm not at home right now. Out of town for a few days. If this subject is still active I'll post some links regarding...
    I apologize for deviating from forum thematic, but on behalf of vapers of ripe age I allow myself to show what I have found on my brief visit to
    alz-org
    Dr Glenn Smith, a neuropsychologist with the Mayo Clinic specializing in Alzheimer's, recommends to:
    • Avoid smoking, smoking has shown to increase the chance of developing Alzheimer's by 80 percent
    • Eat a balanced diet rich in vegetables, fruits and lean protein, particularly protein sources containing omega-3 fatty acids (For more information see the Nutrient section below)
    • Be physically active, aim for going for a walk each day, but at least a minimum of 3 times a week
    • Be socially active, spend time with your friends or family at least once a week. Social activity is some of the best mental stimulation
    • Take care of your mental health
    • Use thinking (cognitive) skills, such as memory skills
    For vapers the main thing ("avoid smoking") is done. And walking is just one of the other five things.

    And news about Alzheimer's research:
    Poor Sleep Linked With a Significant Risk for Developing Alzheimer's
    Benzodiazepans linked to a significantly increased risk of developing Alzheimer's
     

    rico942

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    Not sure about Alzheimer's symptoms, I've been using sticky notes for years to compensate for slowly failing short-term memory ... :blush:

    I watched my own father descend into the depths of dementia, for the last 15 years of his life he did not know who I was. I hope to be spared that tragedy ... :(

    But I am convinced that nicotine directly alleviates the tremors caused by certain varieties of Parkinson's Disease. I can type this post without an error count equal to the word count, because I am vaping today. I see the remarkable difference every day in my own hands, proof enough for me ... :D
     

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    Not sure about Alzheimer's symptoms, I've been using sticky notes for years to compensate for slowly failing short-term memory ... :blush:

    I watched my own father descend into the depths of dementia, for the last 15 years of his life he did not know who I was. I hope to be spared that tragedy ... :(

    But I am convinced that nicotine directly alleviates the tremors caused by certain varieties of Parkinson's Disease. I can type this post without an error count equal to the word count, because I am vaping today. I see the remarkable difference every day in my own hands, proof enough for me ... :D

    Congrats on your discovery!!!:thumb:
     

    DC2

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    But a little idealism can fuel a lot of activism ... :thumbs:
    I don't know how much activism idealism can fuel...
    But I do know for sure that it's a lot more than defeatism can fuel...

    I don't need a Stanton Glantz study to tell me that.
    But then I don't really need a Stanton Glantz study for anything other than to wipe with.
     

    johnny hotsauce

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    I still can't understand how a state can rely on an income from tobacco and yet preach they want everybody to be smoke free. I they where to get what they wanted (no more smokers) their system would crumble down.
    But since that will never happen, they figure they can get the vaper's to subsidize the lost tax revenue from the smoker's.

    In their eyes it's the same people paying the tax, just using a different delivery system to get what they need.
     
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