CBS requests information from DC area vapers.

[mwa102464]

If you know how to make this happen, we'd honestly love to hear it. It's not like we haven't tried to have this done, but the reporters and editors decide whether or not to do a story.



Don't forget that the ANTZ and FDA have millions of dollars, lobbyists, publicists and relationships with reporters to get their propaganda out. CASAA doesn't have those kinds of resources.

Hi Kristen, I dont have all the answers, if it's an impossibility to get all the positives out there of ecigs in a real news story then that's a real shame, but I have to think there would be a way to do so. There has to be a way to show ecigs vs Chantix and all the Big Pharma chemicals and the side effects they have, vs the real cigarette and all the 4000 + chemicals they have and just all the positive things and lives that have been effected by using the ecig, there must be a way to get a story out there and lots of them, could newspapers be used ? Radio be used ? there have been reporters that do the other sides of a story before many of times, is the Govt controling this to a point where we cant tell the the truth to the public ?

Maybe when Link finishes his documentary this will be able to help by getting this out there to the world

I would suggest your feelings are directly at entirely the wrong group of people...
In my opinion you should be let down at the vaping community for not supporting CASAA more.

And anyone (that can afford to do so) that has not donated to CASAA has nobody but themselves to blame.

CASAA has done an amazing job with the shoestring budget they have to work with.
And they have had far more success and impact than any of us has any right to expect from them.

At least that's my opinion.

Hi DC2,

I'm on the side of CASSA, you must know this, and anyone else looking to fight this fight against the FDA, BIG Pharma, big tobacco, believe me I am,,, I guess I'm venting because I never see all the positives of ecigs in a story on the news, there is always the FDA this or the FDA that, and the harm or chemicals in ecigs, when in fact they are the best dam thing since sliced bread to help people chose an alternative to quitting smoking. I'm just looking for a way to get all the positives out there in the news stories and not buy into this FDA & Govt getting there way and collecting there tax on ecigs and regulating them to a point where they suck and pre-filled cartos is the only choice we have which is what it looks like is coming a year or two down the road. I would just like to see fire be fought with fire sometimes and doing positive ecig stories and leaving the FDA, Gov't out would be super.

There must be a way to get all the good ecigs have to offer out in the prime time vs other alternative and a way to fight for our rights to use what we chose to use. Why isnt the FDA banning cigarettes ? but yet the come after a way safer alternative, there just has to be a logical way to get positive stories out into the news.

 

[kwalka]

Folks I have brought this up before and after no satisfactory responses I asked Roly and got shot down 6 ways to Sunday. Why cant we use our collective numbers to put together some kind of success report. Interview as many vapers as possible and put together a report of thousands of success stories and show how many lives have been saved just within our community alone. The sheer implications of the point would be enough, IMO, to attract the NY Times or a major news outlet. How could the kind of numbers that we could provide be ignored? There are a lot of amazing success stories here that IMO are being limited to this forum alone. We have a life saving device here and I feel as if we are not doing enough to tell the world about it.

 

[DC2]

I have to think there would be a way to do so. There has to be a way to show ecigs vs Chantix and all the Big Pharma chemicals and the side effects they have, vs the real cigarette and all the 4000 + chemicals they have and just all the positive things and lives that have been effected by using the ecig

I know how you feel.

there must be a way to get a story out there and lots of them, could newspapers be used ?

A year or so ago I looked into how much it would cost to take out a half-page advertisement in the USA Today.
I don't remember how much it was, but I know how much money CASAA has and it isn't even a fraction of the money it would cost.

is the Govt controling this to a point where we cant tell the the truth to the public ?

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but there sure is a problem somewhere.

Some of these may be factors that are preventing our story from being fully and fairly told...
--Big Pharma advertisements provide substantial income to almost all advertising outlets
--News outlets don't care about the truth anymore, only about controversy
--Reporters, and people in general, have a tendency to believe the FDA and people like the ALA and ACS

 

[DC2]

Folks I have brought this up before and after no satisfactory responses I asked Roly and got shot down 6 ways to Sunday. Why cant we use our collective numbers to put together some kind of success report. Interview as many vapers as possible and put together a report of thousands of success stories and show how many lives have been saved just within our community alone. The sheer implications of the point would be enough, IMO, to attract the NY Times or a major news outlet. How could the kind of numbers that we could provide be ignored? There are a lot of amazing success stories here that IMO are being limited to this forum alone. We have a life saving device here and I feel as if we are not doing enough to tell the world about it.

It was mentioned in the last member meeting I listened in on that CASAA is working on that idea.
And I'm sure one of them will be along shortly to fill in the details.

 

[Petrodus]

Why would CBS or any mainstream media want to publish the truth ??
What would be their motivation to publish the truth ??
Why would they risk the wrath of the FDA and organizations opposed to e-cigs ?
Not to speak of ticking off their big advertisers ... BP

It will take a lot more than just money to get CBS to publish the truth.

If CBS reported the truth ... They would basically be saying to the public ...
All that you have been told about e-cigs is just a bunch of lies.

I guess its possible to raise tons of money and buy air-time (not on CBS)
and air the truth. However, that would be a 1 time shot and the opposition
would then run continuous propaganda spots pumping out their lies.

Lorillard/Blu has funding and CBS won't even run their ads. In the interview,
Jason Healy mentioned ... Mainstream media will not run their ads.

 

[kwalka]

Why would CBS or any mainstream media want to publish the truth ??
What would be their motivation to publish the truth ??
Why would they risk the wrath of the FDA and organizations opposed to e-cigs ?
Not to speak of ticking off their big advertisers ... BP

It will take a lot more than just money to get CBS to publish the truth.

If CBS reported the truth ... They would basically be saying to the public ...
All that you have been told about e-cigs is just a bunch of lies.

I guess its possible to raise tons of money and buy air-time (not on CBS)
and air the truth. However, that would be a 1 time shot and the opposition
would then run continuous propaganda spots pumping out their lies.

Lorillard/Blu has funding and CBS won't even run their ads. In the interview,
Jason Healy mentioned ... Mainstream media will not run their ads.

Their ad was run on TV back a few weeks ago. If we collectively put together a report or the like showing just what this product is capable of mainstream media would run it because it the type of content that draws viewers. We have the numbers and the facts to flip BT & BP on their heads, and that sells papers and buys viewers. We are saving lives and proving that BP is a fraud at the same time.

 

[mwa102464]

Why would CBS or any mainstream media want to publish the truth ??
What would be their motivation to publish the truth ??
Why would they risk the wrath of the FDA and organizations opposed to e-cigs ?
Not to speak of ticking off their big advertisers ... BP

It will take a lot more than just money to get CBS to publish the truth.

If CBS reported the truth ... They would basically be saying to the public ...
All that you have been told about e-cigs is just a bunch of lies.

I guess its possible to raise tons of money and buy air-time (not on CBS)
and air the truth. However, that would be a 1 time shot and the opposition
would then run continuous propaganda spots pumping out their lies.

Lorillard/Blu has funding and CBS won't even run their ads. In the interview,
Jason Healy mentioned ... Mainstream media will not run their ads.

Petrodus,

Personally I dont trust the Blue brand and Lorillord as far as I can through them which isnt far, im my opinion there setting themselves up for the FDA regulations.

@ kwalka,

I'm on your side all the way, it would be nice if ECF & CASSA would maybe be able to use it's members and pick some people out who would like to contribute and not put ECF & CASSA at large here like there even running the stories so they dont get stomped on by anyone political. Between some of the university findings, the latest flavourart study, and the Documentary link is doing, it would really be nice if this Documentary and any other info would be picked up by someone like Netflicks or some other movie company or producer who would be willing to run this and other information on ecigs to help get the true word out there of what a great alternative they really are compared to say Chantix or smoking real cigs and just show all the positive things they can and have done for peoples lives.

In my opinion there is and have been reporter like Rush Limbaugh and John Stossle who do stories about the other sides stories and go against what the FDA or Gov't would want, maybe Rush would be good to pursuit some more since he vapes himself, and see who else we can find, it cant all be up to CASSA and ECF to find someone there are many of member and vapors out there and one or two of them must know someone or somehow to get a story done.

 

[Myk]

What we need is a big name reporter who smokes and hasn't been able to quit, introduce them to vaping. Then and only then will the report you want to happen happen.
After using e-cigs and finding out how easy it is to not smoke and how good they feel on e-cigs that reporter will have the same questions we have. That reporter will have the ability to get the alphabet soup to grant interviews not thinking they'll get blindsided with real questions.

Of course the other possibility is they'd be allergic to the PG or VG, whichever they try and they make a story going the other way.

 

[Myk]

In my opinion there is and have been reporter like Rush Limbaugh and John Stossle who do stories about the other sides stories and go against what the FDA or Gov't would want, maybe Rush would be good to pursuit some more since he vapes himself, and see who else we can find, it cant all be up to CASSA and ECF to find someone there are many of member and vapors out there and one or two of them must know someone or somehow to get a story done.

Rush would not be a good option. He freely admits he vapes to beat smoking bans and he does it with the intent to annoy non-smokers.
He is really the opposite of what most people on here want vapers to be.

 

[kwalka]

I think we need a panel of X amount of members to poll and collect info from any and all members. Then we put together the story so to speak. All we would have to do is be able to hand over a comprehensive list of numbers, stats, success stories and facts, then a large media outlet would be able to see that we are not just a small niche market, and they could see cold hard facts about what we have here. That IMO would get the ball rolling and get them on board.

 

[Myk]

I think we need a panel of X amount of members to poll and collect info from any and all members. Then we put together the story so to speak. All we would have to do is be able to hand over a comprehensive list of numbers, stats, success stories and facts, then a large media outlet would be able to see that we are not just a small niche market, and they could see cold hard facts about what we have here. That IMO would get the ball rolling and get them on board.

A YouTube documentary with good editing and promotion could get the ball rolling.
If such a video rocketed up to a million views the major media would take notice. I know someone who had a video of her twins go viral and she got on the Today show for it.

 

[kwalka]

A YouTube documentary with good editing and promotion could get the ball rolling.
If such a video rocketed up to a million views the major media would take notice. I know someone who had a video of her twins go viral and she got on the Today show for it.

IMO, anything that included our collective numbers and success stories would get the ball rolling. I am at 6 months and I still cant believe how easy it was to switch. I still am as excited as day 5 and tell every smoker I see about this forum.

 

[Petrodus]

What we could also do, for starters, would be produce our own YouTube ...
Just like we would want to see aired on CBS.

It could include the people we want contributing.

The "KEY" would be making it PROFESSIONAL in appearance and content.
So ... it would have to be under the direction of CASAA.

If done well ... The video would go viral with in the e-cig community
and then spread to the public at large.

We could take the opportunity to embarrass the the hell out of the FDA,
BP, and all those organizations apposed to e-cigs and harm reduction.

We do Not need CBS to get the truth out there.

 

[kwalka]

What we could also do, for starters, would be produce our own YouTube ...
Just like we would want to see aired on CBS.

It could include the people we want contributing.

The "KEY" would be making it PROFESSIONAL in appearance and content.
So ... it would have to be under the direction of CASAA.

If done well ... The video would go viral with in the e-cig community
and then spread to the public at large.

We could take the opportunity to embarrass the the hell out of the FDA,
BP, and all those organizations apposed to e-cigs and harm reduction.

We do Not need CBS to get the truth out there.

I agree w all of that except the key is our success and the amount of success stories.

 

[Petrodus]

There is tons of "less than professional" e-cig videos out there.
If one wishes to appeal to "mainstream" America ...
I believe Professional plays a "key" role. That's why (in part)
we hoped CBS would air the truth.

Just my opinion

 

[Phantompigbee5]

I guess we could have a flash mob fo vapors!

 

[kwalka]

There is tons of "less than professional" e-cig videos out there.
If one wishes to appeal to "mainstream" America ...
I believe Professional plays a "key" role. That's why (in part)
we hoped CBS would air the truth.

Just my opinion

Professional presentation is definetly important. The numbers and facts are at the core of our point. If we could just get the info together I believe we would not even have to worry about actually producing the final product. Tho to assure its not compromised that would be the best way to go about it. Pbasardo sure makes some quality productions, doesn't he.

 

[Petrodus]

We can do anything we set our minds to do.
And do it for a hell of lot less money than trying to buy air time on TV

 

[CapitalPuff]

What we could also do, for starters, would be produce our own YouTube ...
Just like we would want to see aired on CBS.

It could include the people we want contributing.

The "KEY" would be making it PROFESSIONAL in appearance and content.
So ... it would have to be under the direction of CASAA.

If done well ... The video would go viral with in the e-cig community
and then spread to the public at large.

We could take the opportunity to embarrass the the hell out of the FDA,
BP, and all those organizations apposed to e-cigs and harm reduction.

We do Not need CBS to get the truth out there.

I'm thinking up in the clouds here, but I think something like "the face of e-cigarettes" with short interviews of as many vapers as possible, telling their stories about how e-cigarettes are the only thing that is keeping them off of cigarettes, how much their health has improved since switching, how the FDA approved methods didn't work, etc., would be powerful - of course while not claiming them to be a cessation aid, but an alternative. Even just a slideshow of images (with captions like "I smoked my last cigarette on <DATE>") would be great.

If we put a face on the thousands of everyday people that are actually using the e-cigarette and make them see it, it's harder to ignore. Everyone would need to share it to facebook, tweet it, send it to everyone they know. I think we all have to take responsibility to get the word out and educate the public about harm-reduction especially if the media and our government will not.

We also need to ALL start donating to CASAA. If we can spend a small fortune on PV's and juice, we can certainly throw a few bucks to the organization that is here to help us all. I am thinking that I need to seriously increase my own monthly contribution.

 

[Petrodus]

We aren't the only grass roots movement out there wishing CBS would
publish the truth.

Natural food health advocates including supplements ... would like to
see CBS publish the truth.

However, Monsanto and our lovely government will not permit such information being aired.

The only healthy food is Monsanto foods