Cheap genesis style tank...interesting!

[dspin]

But on the same note as your post, I gotta throw it out there that we're talking about a nation of manufacturers who released thousands of bottles of toothpaste and children's toys that contained lead in them...

Anyone know if it's economically viable or even possible to have SS sent out and tested to determine its lead content? I've heard a few rumors of other high end mods out there supposedly contain lead, and I'd like to verify the validity of those claims (wont say what mods, for all I know it's untrue).
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++++++++++++=10 on that

I quit cigs because I knew the damage I was doing to my body. I don't use the knock-offs, at least in the atomizer chamber, because China lies about their base metals and impurities. No point leaving one habit that was killing me, for another doing the same thing without my knowledge. So, I am not some ethical preacher, or trying to take moral high ground, rather I am spending up for quality control from a vendor willing to share his production standards with me. The juice and the atomizer chamber are the most important part, (from a health concern), so I use the real DiD, SS mesh (no more silica), and Virgin Vapor Juice, Because of their willingness to disclose their production methods and contents.






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Agreed, I dont trust China with having human or animal interests at the forefront:
considering China's long legacy food problems, including the 2008 melamine-tainted milk incident where roughly 300,000 people were injured and at least six infants died as a result of being poisoned by the toxic chemical Other tainted food from China has included melamine-tainted pet foods, lead-tainted children's cups, and even another fake rice case where a Chinese company added synthetic flavorings to ordinary rice to trick people into thinking it was the more expensive "Wuchang" variety

 

[nebulas]

This is an interesting video about china's internet. I am posting it here b/c at 7:00 he talks about how China lies to their own people about the air quality.


Don't think china would lie about the materials they use?????

 

[drf]

Chinese guys dont see anything but profits.


btw nice and cheap atty , worths a try

 

[recidivus]

I'm no expert on the matter, never having a DID or any rebuildable to compare to. I've wanted to try out rebuildables, but didn't want to pay 110+$+shipping on something I've never used; so I grabbed one of these up from one of my regular vendors for 24$CAD. Where I ordered it was just called "Rebuildable Atomizer", I had to ask on ECF to find out it was a DID copy, look up the dids and costs, then decide on what to do.

As I said, I've 0 experience with anything else comparable, but in the 24 hours I've been using it I have no major complaints. Some of the little nuts on centre post didn't thread perfectly, but that was fixed after the first rebuild. I'll keep using it, but it's definitely made me much more open to spending the money on something of higher quality now that I know how they work and perform.

 

[MiriamWTH]

My DiD is not really perfect (I was among the first to get one BTW);air hole doesnt align,wobbly nuts (not thick enough) conector not making contact with all APVs

This is news to me since I recall you were only talking about success and very consistent vape and flavor. But if you really do have a problem Jim, the maker of the DID, will surely be able to sort you out since his customer service is amazing (never seen any better customer service in the vaping community!)
Also as i recall you were number 309, I was number 28 so earlier than you and I have no problems with mine what-so-ever. Just contact Jim ;-)

Miriam (with the Hat!)

 

[Escapereality]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...13-china-mini-did-clones-round-2-co-op-7.html

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I'm not going to flame anyone, chinese or greek, but I will say that vendors charging 40 dollars for knock off crap have a real pair of testicles on them, that POS better come with some porno and a bottle of scotch

 

[flarg]

I'm not going to flame anyone, chinese or greek, but I will say that vendors charging 40 dollars for knock off crap have a real pair of testicles on them, that POS better come with some porno and a bottle of scotch

I think Vendors should give "freebies" with any order. It makes for nice vendor relations. If there was a choice of whether to receive a porno and bottle of scotch or something else, I'd probably choose the something else just personally, though I suppose I could give my boyfriend these as a present. If vendors put in a piece of swag, like a pen or something useful, then that'd serve double duty of giving me another pen but it'd also give them advertising. Yes, pens are the way to go folks. Get on it you vendors. No more pile o' business cards in my packages.

Oh gosh, but the alcohol thing, that gives me a great idea: mixed drinks with the e-juice flavors. If they didn't want to get an alcohol license they could just be virgins with directions to mix with vodka or whatever. At Burlington Pub and Brewery I had this beer that tasted just like ham, so that would pair perfectly with those bacon e-juices. Granted the vendor would then need an alcohol license to sell some ham beer. Gosh that beer was awful. It was supposed to be apple smoked something or other but it just tasted like cold ham liquid.

 

[harmudge]

WOW, beautiful bikes guys. I don't have anything anywhere near that nice, but the motard gets the job done up here in the mountains.

Nice, knee action...

 

[Sacker]

Here's what I don't get: how can one cry foul in a black market about copies? LOL

it's a toss up between authentic and copies or variations to make it better.

the bottom line : knocks off lets people get to try out similiar original products without paying for something they aren't sure that will work for them. It also makes the original revamp thier own products.

It just seems like monkey see monkey do , here's what I mean, High end quality pv's are in the 100+ range all the way upto 400+, then someone see's something they can change to make it better if the original manufracturer won't, and thinks they can do the same and give you more features or a better variation of what they saw on the original high end pv. it's a hit and miss on a variation aka cloner, but nevertheless its better for the consumers to have a wide spectrum of products vs having to be forced into a product that may not be for them. Who wants to be stuck on a ego battery forever? (as an example)

Now everyone is paying a higher cost just because people are paying for it. It's become its own standard in a guideline in pricing. Ive seen it done to at least one high end pv.

Why would anyone mislead the masses by putting that china only makes bad products, atties / carto's are all from china.. most of the standard ones, that almost all of us started with...and gave ideas to all the people to make a variation/copy of the atty/carto's. no one cried foul back then or now, so why with a Genisis copy aka DiD?

Raidy's Genisis > all others = COPIES, all of them... you name the product, and if its using a stainless steel mesh and wrapped coil has a tank variation on it, that's a copy of Raidy's Work. Unless authorized by Raidy...Get the point?

I have originals and many copies... so does it matter in the end to the consumer? it's their monies on how they want to spend, and make an informed decision about the product.

will it hurt the cash cow of the Original, probulary not, it will just make it more expensive, or have a newer version of it. And I do support many original products still.

And alot of my purchased "copies" works just the same as the original or better, dependant on how it's being used.

 

[ricklynchcore]

Here's what I don't get: how can one cry foul in a black market about copies? LOL



Raidy's Genisis > all others = COPIES, all of them... you name the product, and if its using a stainless steel mesh and wrapped coil has a tank variation on it, that's a copy of Raidy's Work. Unless authorized by Raidy...Get the point?

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Not really, I don't get the point. In other words, by the above logic, the guy in Mississippi, who first played the E-A-B blues riff, is the the creator of blues, and all others are copies. I don't necessarily think so. Now if Mississippi put words to it and called it Delta, And another guy came along, plays the same 3 chords with the same words, and called it Delta, that's a copy. On the other hand Louisiana comes along, uses the 3 chords and adds another 2 or 3 riffs, sings new words and calls it lulu belle, it is not a copy, its an original. Was he influenced by Mississippi number 1, yes, but its not a steal.

For me example 2 is normal progression of idea, Example 1 is stealing. Just the way I look at it, not being judgmental, just my personal way of looking at things.

 

[cornolio]

Does anyone have a review or experience with this?all i see is opinions on piracy and motorcycles

 

[classwife]

I ran into this while buying SS mesh. Anybody heard of this? I wonder if its any good. It's priced pretty low. Just thought I would get your opinions.

MOV Genesis Style Rebuildable Atomizer Tank

Reminder of thread topic

 

[martinc]

This is the first I've heard you say this. Did you contact Jim about it or post. I read that you said it worked great and vaped great, right from the day you received it. How is it now you are advising of bad issues.

Got to perfect your stalking skills,Somebody with a good sense of observation saw the extra o-ring and asked me why,to which I replied ''to align the hole''...and why not sending it back...it would cost me more than half the price of a DiD to do that and on top of it,if I can find a solution to any of my problems in-house,I dont go and bother the makers with it.

Hope this is enough explanation for you and your cohorts

 

[spraintz]

Does anyone have a review or experience with this?all i see is opinions on piracy and motorcycles

Hey man, motorcycles are cool....

from post #105:

The DUD has allen-key type screws. They are rather small and fiddly, it has to be said. In terms of performance. It's relatively easy to set up and performs like any other Genesis. IE, very well. It's a fog machine...

The air hole is nowhere near the wick though, (on the opposite side) but there is enough threading to move the top cap around luckily... Otherwise this atty would have been of no use to me whatsoever (I'm not a monster throathit fan).. This totally ruins the lines of it as you end up with a gap between the tank and topcap... Proof that the Chinese manufacturer has no real idea on how a Genesis works at it's optimum. The draw is tight as well... The threading is OK. Not as smooth as the DID at all though... It just feels "cheap" in comparison.

I'd say it's all-in-all. OK. Not anywhere near as nice as the DID. But for the money - and for modders, I reckon it's a good buy. Way better than that Smoktech "Genesis" thing, which to me just looks like landfill fodder.

It ships with a really nice drip tip. If that's any consolation

I have found the DID a bit tricky to get working 100%. The DUD, I had up and working in 20 mins... I'm waiting on delivery of a decent blowtorch before I re-set up my DID.



Mine should be here in about an hour. I will give it a build and take a bunch of pictures and give my honest assessment.

 

[chuckie]

I don't know why everyone's so upset,The Did is a clone of Raidy/Quick's original invention(see modders forum).It's only fair that someone else copies the copy. After all it's only a metal cap with 2 screws and a few nuts.I bought the China clone at Discount Vapors on Fri.,got it on Mon. cost of $25. It's working as good as any of the much more expensive Genesis attys I own. If you want to put someone elses kids thru college go ahead,but it's not necessary

 

[dspin]

Got to perfect your stalking skills,Somebody with a good sense of observation saw the extra o-ring and asked me why,to which I replied ''to align the hole''...and why not sending it back...it would cost me more than half the price of a DiD to do that and on top of it,if I can find a solution to any of my problems in-house,I dont go and bother the makers with it.

Hope this is enough explanation for you and your cohorts

I really dont know what you are talking about, stalking and cohorts. Seems you have some sort of issue here. Anyway, you said differently than what you have just posted. At least thats what I read. When DID came out everyone that had one or was interested in it was reading everything that everyone had to say about it. You had said you put the O-ring in before you even used it for extra condensation protection. Perhaps you forgot. I take exception that you would publicly again accuse me of stalking you. Just because Im pro DID and against the copying of his name for sure and your not is no reason to to behave in this fashion - IMO


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Originally Posted by FreshBreath
Hey martinc... whats with the o-ring under the top cap on your DID ? Im looking to order one , and didnt notice that came with it.
Also, can you fit a normal drip tip in the DID...or just the one it comes with? thanks



Its one of the spare o-ring included in the kit...xtra condensation leakage protection (I hate wiping my RAs) and the drip tip that comes with it is really good,fits tight but I just tried a couple aftermarket here and they fit kinda loose compared to it





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Thanks for the reply martinc

so is there some leakage through the top cap without the o-ring? And do you have any advice or tips for a new DID owner? I just ordered one and it will be my first RA.



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I dont know,I dont think so,I just put that thing in there before I`ve even used it but I never heard of it leaking

As for advice,be patient,read what you can on making a mesh/coil,specially this one: Wrapping A Genesis Atty Using Rolling Paper - YouTube

For the rolling paper part;disregard the VG mention (go PG) and the paper clip would be better if it were stainless

 

[Uma]

I don't know why everyone's so upset,The Did is a clone of Raidy/Quick's original invention(see modders forum).It's only fair that someone else copies the copy. After all it's only a metal cap with 2 screws and a few nuts.I bought the China clone at Discount Vapors on Fri.,got it on Mon. cost of $25. It's working as good as any of the much more expensive Genesis attys I own. If you want to put someone elses kids thru college go ahead,but it's not necessary

They were at first literally being called "DID's". That's a big no no, very misleading, and totally unfair to not only the purchasers, but especially to the original creator.
Some call them "DID Copy!!". Yep, np there, the DID has been copied. Flattery and all that. Not as good as the original, not true to form, but will be fun to try our hand at making our own coils. Really cheap!! (and really cheaply made doh). Good for in a pinch or emergency backup.
Some call them "DID CLONE".... big problem here! These do not have the same DNA (overall size, mesh hole size, materials, airhole size, etc). They are not clones. They are cheap copies! These are not exact-a-tackily like the originals. The purchaser must be made aware that these do indeed differ in quality, materials, size, and all the fine points. Purchase price is not the only difference here.

It's sad to see a person's hard work being stolen, copied, undersold... in any field. But it's really sad if the "close enough but not quite there" copy is being touted as the "boss!". It's not boss. It's okay in it's own way. If it's not for you, don't blame the original maker!! It's not his fault that it vapes as tight as a badgers ahem, or the mesh hole is too small, or ....

It's not a fight. It's clarification. A lot of clear lines are being smeared, smudged.

nuff said.

 

[chuckie]

They were at first literally being called "DID's". That's a big no no, very misleading, and totally unfair to not only the purchasers, but especially to the original creator.
Some call them "DID Copy!!". Yep, np there, the DID has been copied. Flattery and all that. Not as good as the original, not true to form, but will be fun to try our hand at making our own coils. Really cheap!! (and really cheaply made doh). Good for in a pinch or emergency backup.
Some call them "DID CLONE".... big problem here! These do not have the same DNA (overall size, mesh hole size, materials, airhole size, etc). They are not clones. They are cheap copies! These are not exact-a-tackily like the originals. The purchaser must be made aware that these do indeed differ in quality, materials, size, and all the fine points. Purchase price is not the only difference here.

It's sad to see a person's hard work being stolen, copied, undersold... in any field. But it's really sad if the "close enough but not quite there" copy is being touted as the "boss!". It's not boss. It's okay in it's own way. If it's not for you, don't blame the original maker!! It's not his fault that it vapes as tight as a badgers ahem, or the mesh hole is too small, or ....

It's not a fight. It's clarification. A lot of clear lines are being smeared, smudged.

nuff said.

It's a nice metal cap and screws,just not any better than the one it was copied from.

 

[Striker911]

People know where to get the best Atty. In case you dont e-vape.gr
If you can afford the best then go get it and you will love it just as much as I do.

If you cant afford the price and want to take a risk for $12 then go to the coop thread.
Most of the people in here defending the original are well respected. But make your point and try not to get ugly about it please. If you can afford all the high dollar wonders of the vape community then great. More power to you. I am really happy for you and your success. But to a point its starting to seem like bullying and denial. Denying people of a nice vape and entrance into Genesis atty's is the opposite of why ECF is here in the first place. So make your point and go vape your $400 rig. No one is mad at you.