Thanks chad, I misunderstood your statement, sorry for that. The problem with context from the Health New Zealand report comes from the document itself...what I quoted was all the information that report provided, and I highlighted what I thought were weak connections made by the report's author. I have little doubt that electronic cigarettes are safe, but as you said this is a highly politicized issue and unfortunately the battle is uphill for people using PVs.
SLDS181, thank you for the links. I have read most of those (though not all) and found them very helpful and reassuring. The article from Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics was the best for comparison sake to the aerosols created from electronic cigarettes. While I think the evidence is extremely strong that PG is a safe product for the use of electronic cigarettes, I would like to see a study that specifically tests electronic cigarettes and how people actually use these devices. vaping is different than being an actor in a Braodway musical in terms of duration of exposure (a few hours per 24 hours vs. people chain vaping all day) as well as other differences in use and exposure. Long term studies are hard to come by (though research does seem to support that this is likely not a problem), people who are currently vaping probably expect to vape for the rest of their lives...this length of exposure has not been studied. People vape differently than they smoke (mostly), but most direct comparisons are comparing puffs and volumes as being equal for both products...I'm not sure this is true (I never take 5+ long second drags from an analogue, but I do regularly on my 901...). I would also like to see a study of non-smokers using e-cigs, just so the symptoms of quitting smoking can be disentangled from the effects of vaping, as I think most 'side effects' are quitting smoking related and not from vaping (i.e. headaches, cramping, ........, chest pain, etc that are commonly complained of here in these forums).
I think that the conditions and habits of how the PG is used by people using electronic cigarettes should be studied directly and not just use comparative analysis of other studies (which mostly state that their results are only valid for the situations in which they were studied as any good scientific study should indicate). I believe that the data from these studies is likely valid, but as chad said, this is a highly politicized topic and I think the best way to combat the public (and especially the anti-smoking, anti-nicotine groups) misconceptions is for concise, direct electronic cigarette/e-liquid studies. These questions I point out are what anti-vaping groups will use to question the safety of the product. I think plugging these holes will go a long way for keeping personal vaporizers legal. (Fighting the public perception of nicotine as the root of all evil in smoking shows how difficult it can be to change long standing unchallenged misinformation.)
I know I got way off topic in this thread, so I will just conclude that from all of these studies I've now read, chest pain does not seem to be a symptom that has been widely reported. Cough and minor irritation of the nasal and throat passages are most common, but in most cases the body adapts and symptoms disappear. As has been noted, quitting smoking is the most likely cause of chest pains (though going to the doctor is probably a good idea to be sure).
Thanks for the information and the discourse, and Im sorry if I came off combative in my earlier post. I really am an advocate of electronic cigarettes (Ive bought starter kits for half a dozen friends and even a few passing acquaintances
).
SLDS181, thank you for the links. I have read most of those (though not all) and found them very helpful and reassuring. The article from Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics was the best for comparison sake to the aerosols created from electronic cigarettes. While I think the evidence is extremely strong that PG is a safe product for the use of electronic cigarettes, I would like to see a study that specifically tests electronic cigarettes and how people actually use these devices. vaping is different than being an actor in a Braodway musical in terms of duration of exposure (a few hours per 24 hours vs. people chain vaping all day) as well as other differences in use and exposure. Long term studies are hard to come by (though research does seem to support that this is likely not a problem), people who are currently vaping probably expect to vape for the rest of their lives...this length of exposure has not been studied. People vape differently than they smoke (mostly), but most direct comparisons are comparing puffs and volumes as being equal for both products...I'm not sure this is true (I never take 5+ long second drags from an analogue, but I do regularly on my 901...). I would also like to see a study of non-smokers using e-cigs, just so the symptoms of quitting smoking can be disentangled from the effects of vaping, as I think most 'side effects' are quitting smoking related and not from vaping (i.e. headaches, cramping, ........, chest pain, etc that are commonly complained of here in these forums).
I think that the conditions and habits of how the PG is used by people using electronic cigarettes should be studied directly and not just use comparative analysis of other studies (which mostly state that their results are only valid for the situations in which they were studied as any good scientific study should indicate). I believe that the data from these studies is likely valid, but as chad said, this is a highly politicized topic and I think the best way to combat the public (and especially the anti-smoking, anti-nicotine groups) misconceptions is for concise, direct electronic cigarette/e-liquid studies. These questions I point out are what anti-vaping groups will use to question the safety of the product. I think plugging these holes will go a long way for keeping personal vaporizers legal. (Fighting the public perception of nicotine as the root of all evil in smoking shows how difficult it can be to change long standing unchallenged misinformation.)
I know I got way off topic in this thread, so I will just conclude that from all of these studies I've now read, chest pain does not seem to be a symptom that has been widely reported. Cough and minor irritation of the nasal and throat passages are most common, but in most cases the body adapts and symptoms disappear. As has been noted, quitting smoking is the most likely cause of chest pains (though going to the doctor is probably a good idea to be sure).
Thanks for the information and the discourse, and Im sorry if I came off combative in my earlier post. I really am an advocate of electronic cigarettes (Ive bought starter kits for half a dozen friends and even a few passing acquaintances
).
