Anyone have any idea about the headlines reading the China is encouraging businesses to stop selling e-cigarettes online I can't find anything on whether that pertains to other countries or just within the country... I believe there's been a mandate but there hasn't been any talk of enforcement and I don't really know how things work over there
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I'm not sure I know how to post a link but I'll give it a go I saw it on the New York Times I think
China Effectively Bans Online Sales of E-Cigarettes
I think I'm supposed to do something to the link but I don't know how...
China bans all online sales and ads of e-cigarettes
I think this is for online sales in China. Export is another story... Trying to be optimistic.
Chinese BT flexing its' muscles. Following their American brothers' footsteps.
I think this is for online sales in China. Export is another story... Trying to be optimistic.
Chinese BT flexing its' muscles. Following their American brothers' footsteps.
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They also in the article which was really just a blurb not even a real article did say that there's been no talk of enforcement. China's fairly notorious for not enforcing laws that they have on the books especially when we're talking about a multibillion-dollar industry that they can sell out of the country. I'm trying to decide whether I should get some replacement tanks or if that would even be covered under e-cigarette sales
Hmmm... what I had heard was the places that were being targeted were online retailers. Specifically ones that had no age checking. Wholesaling wasn’t affected. This article implies it is wider than that but doesn’t SAY it is. So China channel direct would shut down for consumers. Fasttech would be one possible pertinent example, unless they instituted an age check system which I personally wouldn’t use because of the Chinese government so for me it amounts to the same thing.
A lot of China channel consumer direct stuff isn’t actually IN China though. It’s in small nearby southeast Asian countries. Iirc fasttech has one of those, so the only change would be a web address move. Shipping wouldn’t even change. Maybe. We likely won’t know what will happen until companies actually react.
China was never vape friendly. Chinese companies make the stuff and export it, but it was always tough for them in their own backyard. So this is not surprising. Probably their BT is state owned and is starting to feel the heat. Just hoping, quite optimistic actually, this won't affect export oriented websites.
It’s not even a law. It’s a plea. I don’t know whether that actually has more or less force than a law in China. I don’t know how China works.
it’s not impossible there is a law already in place that everyone is ignoring and the next step befor enforcement is the plea. Again, no idea.
I was actually thinking that same thing it just dawned on me that a lot of these Chinese places are prepared for things like that and they would simply change their facility over to their already being used one in Thailand or some other country to avoid the issue
Here is the link that Bloomberg is quoting.
http://www.tobacco.gov.cn/html/27/2701/ ... 173_n.html
Translated:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 173_n.html
On August 28, 2018, the State Administration of Markets and the State Tobacco Monopoly Bureau issued the Notice on Prohibiting the Sale of Electronic Cigarettes to Minors (State Administration of the State Administration of Taxation, State Tobacco Monopoly Bureau Notice No. 26, 2018, below Referred to as the "Notice". Since the publication of the "Notice", the awareness of the community to protect minors from e-cigarettes has generally increased, and the phenomenon of directly promoting and selling e-cigarettes to minors has improved. But at the same time, it is also found that minors still know, buy and smoke electronic cigarettes through the Internet. Even e-cigarette companies are blindly pursuing economic interests, and publicizing, promoting and selling e-cigarettes through the Internet poses a huge threat to the physical and mental health of minors. To further protect minors from e-cigarettes, the relevant matters are hereby notified as follows:
As a supplement to traditional tobacco products such as cigarettes, e-cigarettes have their own safety and health risks. They are more selective in raw material selection, additive use, process design, quality control, etc. Some products have smoke leaks and inferior batteries. Quality safety hazards such as the addition of unsafe ingredients. In accordance with the relevant provisions of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the Protection of Minors, in order to strengthen the protection of the physical and mental health of minors, various market entities may not sell electronic cigarettes to minors. Any organization or individual should dissuade and stop the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors.
At the same time, in order to further strengthen the protection of minors' physical and mental health and prevent minors from purchasing and smoking electronic cigarettes through the Internet, we urge electronic cigarette production and sales enterprises or individuals to close the electronic cigarette Internet in time from the date of issuance of this circular. Selling websites or clients; urging e-commerce platforms to close e-cigarette stores in time and timely removing e-cigarette products; urging e-cigarette production and sales companies or individuals to withdraw e-cigarette advertisements posted via the Internet.
The tobacco monopoly administrative departments and market supervision and administration departments at all levels shall earnestly strengthen the promotion and implementation of this notice to protect minors from e-cigarettes. The tobacco monopoly administrative department shall increase the market supervision of e-cigarette products, strengthen the monitoring, dissuasion and suppression of the promotion and sale of e-cigarettes through the Internet, and investigate or notify relevant departments of all kinds of illegal activities discovered.
announce.
Related links: Interpretation of the Policy on Further Protecting Minors from E-cigarettes
State Tobacco Monopoly Administration
http://www.tobacco.gov.cn/html/27/2701/ ... 173_n.html
Translated:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 173_n.html
On August 28, 2018, the State Administration of Markets and the State Tobacco Monopoly Bureau issued the Notice on Prohibiting the Sale of Electronic Cigarettes to Minors (State Administration of the State Administration of Taxation, State Tobacco Monopoly Bureau Notice No. 26, 2018, below Referred to as the "Notice". Since the publication of the "Notice", the awareness of the community to protect minors from e-cigarettes has generally increased, and the phenomenon of directly promoting and selling e-cigarettes to minors has improved. But at the same time, it is also found that minors still know, buy and smoke electronic cigarettes through the Internet. Even e-cigarette companies are blindly pursuing economic interests, and publicizing, promoting and selling e-cigarettes through the Internet poses a huge threat to the physical and mental health of minors. To further protect minors from e-cigarettes, the relevant matters are hereby notified as follows:
As a supplement to traditional tobacco products such as cigarettes, e-cigarettes have their own safety and health risks. They are more selective in raw material selection, additive use, process design, quality control, etc. Some products have smoke leaks and inferior batteries. Quality safety hazards such as the addition of unsafe ingredients. In accordance with the relevant provisions of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the Protection of Minors, in order to strengthen the protection of the physical and mental health of minors, various market entities may not sell electronic cigarettes to minors. Any organization or individual should dissuade and stop the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors.
At the same time, in order to further strengthen the protection of minors' physical and mental health and prevent minors from purchasing and smoking electronic cigarettes through the Internet, we urge electronic cigarette production and sales enterprises or individuals to close the electronic cigarette Internet in time from the date of issuance of this circular. Selling websites or clients; urging e-commerce platforms to close e-cigarette stores in time and timely removing e-cigarette products; urging e-cigarette production and sales companies or individuals to withdraw e-cigarette advertisements posted via the Internet.
The tobacco monopoly administrative departments and market supervision and administration departments at all levels shall earnestly strengthen the promotion and implementation of this notice to protect minors from e-cigarettes. The tobacco monopoly administrative department shall increase the market supervision of e-cigarette products, strengthen the monitoring, dissuasion and suppression of the promotion and sale of e-cigarettes through the Internet, and investigate or notify relevant departments of all kinds of illegal activities discovered.
announce.
Related links: Interpretation of the Policy on Further Protecting Minors from E-cigarettes
State Tobacco Monopoly Administration
FT is in and ships from Shenzen, China. Vaporl has a warehouse in Hong Kong. I believe 3avape also has warehouses outside of China, but like Vaporl is a Chinese company with much of their business from there.
The article in the NYT and the release translated by Mike (@mikepetro Google Translate really did that great a job on a long press release? I'm impressed) is this is related to sales and marketing to underage users in China, not manufacture or sales elsewhere or to adults. China's policies rarely include shutting down entire profit making industries. All their talk relates to marketing and sales to minors, and as that is a country by country determination, it reads as an internal Chinese matter, not one they're imposing on anyone else.
So these American News blurbs are talking about something that happened in 2018 and there wasn't a recent update? Is that what's up?
Can you be more specific? Mods, pre-wound coils, batteries,ect? How do you define "vape stuff"?
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