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    i can see the non-US world just influenced by the US thing.

    and i can see 'non-informed' onlookers going and what abt the kids? and what do you mean flavours for adults?

    I can see a kid thinking some types of vapes are like toys... but they'd have to be under six. Then again if a 5-year-old can order something online, they're smart enough to tell the difference. either way, if those are shopping online, we've got bigger problems
     

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    AvaOrchid

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    Check it out for yourself, most anything that says "vape", or is obviously vape. Batteries are still there though.
    EBay has had an alleged ban at least a policy ban of e-cigarette related items for a while now a couple years at least though there's been workarounds and there is still a category.
     

    AvaOrchid

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    Ok I followed the link and translated this on google of course. So this is the update I guess that pertains to Nov 1st just in case anyone wants to read it without copy paste etc and since I started this I figured I would also add this information

    In order to further protect minors from e-cigarettes and strengthen the supervision of e-cigarette market, the State Tobacco Monopoly Administration and the State Administration of Markets have jointly issued the Notice on Further Protecting Minors from E-cigarettes. The General Administration of Market Supervision of the Tobacco Monopoly Administration Notice No. 1 of 2019) requires all market entities not to sell electronic cigarettes to minors; urge electronic cigarette production and sales enterprises or individuals to close e-cigarette Internet sales websites or clients in a timely manner, The e-commerce platform timely shut down the e-cigarette shop and timely removed the e-cigarette products. The e-cigarette production and sales companies or individuals withdrew the e-cigarette advertisements released through the Internet.

    First, the background and purpose of the announcement

    In August last year, the State Administration of Market Supervision and the State Tobacco Monopoly Bureau jointly issued the Notice on Prohibiting the Sale of Electronic Cigarettes to Minors (State Administration of Market Supervision, National Tobacco Monopoly Bureau Notice No. 26 of 2018). Since the announcement, the awareness of the community to protect minors from e-cigarettes has generally increased, and the promotion and sale of e-cigarettes to minors has improved. However, we are also concerned that most of the minors know, buy and start smoking electronic cigarettes through the Internet.

    As a supplement to traditional tobacco products such as cigarettes, electronic cigarettes have their own health and safety risks, especially for minors. According to the latest data, 37 people in the United States have died from e-cigarette-related diseases, and more than 1,800 people have suffered from lung damage due to the use of e-cigarette products. At present, the domestic e-cigarette market is chaotic, product quality is uneven, and a large number of products have serious quality and safety hazards such as the addition of unsafe ingredients, leakage of smoke oil, and inferior batteries. In particular, in order to improve the attractiveness of products, some e-cigarette companies add various additives to change the taste of e-cigarettes and the color of smoke oil, which is a serious hazard to consumers, especially minors.

    According to the survey, many e-cigarette companies use young people as the focus of Internet marketing, misleading consumers with advertisements that violate objective facts such as “helping to quit smoking” and “healthy and harmless”, and labeling e-cigarettes as “young” and “fashion”. The representative of the inducement of minors. Many parents of students report that their children are attracted by online e-cigarette promotion, and can easily purchase e-cigarettes through e-commerce platforms, requiring regulators to take further strict measures to prevent minors from being exposed to e-cigarettes, and strongly appeal to all sectors of society to target minors. The sale of electronic cigarettes will be stopped.

    Therefore, the State Tobacco Monopoly Administration and the State Administration of Market Supervision repeatedly studied and demonstrated, and decided to jointly issue a circular to implement the spirit and requirements of the relevant laws and regulations such as the Law on the Protection of Minors, the Advertising Law, and further protect minors. People are protected from electronic cigarettes; at the same time, it indicates that the State Tobacco Monopoly Administration and the State Administration of Market Supervision have effectively fulfilled their supervisory duties, adopted more stringent regulatory measures, and severely cracked down on the basic attitudes of illegal and illegal sales and control of electronic cigarettes in accordance with the law, and effectively safeguarded consumers' health. .

    Second, the main content of the notice

    Reiterating the main contents of the "Notice on Prohibiting the Sale of Electronic Cigarettes to Minors" jointly issued by the State Administration of Markets Supervision and the State Tobacco Monopoly Administration last year, suggesting the safety risks and health hazards of electronic cigarettes, requiring all market entities not to Minors sell e-cigarettes; require any organization or individual to discourage and stop the sale of e-cigarettes to minors.

    To further increase the protection of minors' physical and mental health, prevent minors from purchasing and smoking e-cigars through the Internet, and urge e-cigarette production and sales companies or individuals to close e-cigarette Internet sales websites or clients in a timely manner; urge e-commerce platform Close the e-cigarette store in time and remove the e-cigarette products in time; urge e-cigarette production and sales companies or individuals to withdraw e-cigarette advertisements posted via the Internet.

    It is required that the tobacco monopoly administrative departments and market supervision and management departments at all levels should strengthen the publicity and implementation of this notice to protect minors from e-cigarettes. In particular, the competent departments of tobacco monopoly at all levels should increase market supervision of e-cigarette products, strengthen the monitoring, dissuasion and suppression of the promotion and sale of e-cigarettes through the Internet, and investigate or notify relevant violations of various types of illegal activities. department.

    Third, the main work in the next step

    In the future, the State Tobacco Monopoly Administration and the State Administration of Market Supervision will focus on the following aspects:

    First, actively carry out the propaganda of this notice, further strengthen the awareness of all sectors of society to protect minors from e-cigarettes; second, strengthen coordination with relevant departments to jointly carry out the implementation of this notice; Investigate and deal with illegal and illegal sales of electronic cigarettes, and effectively protect the legitimate rights and interests of minors and consumers.

    Related links: Notice on further protection of minors from e-cigarettes
     

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    It's a coin toss whether anything reported by the New York Slimes is true or not.
    You’re being generous. Coin toss is ~50%. I’d say less than that for 100% truth. The question is not the existence of a news paper that delivers pure truth, because there aren’t any, but how close do they stick to the truth and what do they leave out? NYT is still unusually good for a paper though. Vastly better than the pure propaganda stuff. There is a lot of that these days. Better an imperfect attempt at truth than none at all. It still can’t be totally trusted though. There isn’t any news that can.

    The thing I hate is the complaints of “main stream news is imperfect! Their ethics system has problems! Try our ‘alternative’ news instead! It’s trustable!” The problem is the “alternative news” has no ethics system at all and is vastly less truthful and much more manipulative than the “mainstream” stuff. They’re not useless. They find the occasional point. There’s so much cruft to wade through though and some of it sticks to you.
    One serious danger sign is when the multi person team comes out. I won’t watch any show where there are four people discussing an issue. Blue or Red.

    There’s something called “the rule of four” where ‘rule’ is not a directive but rulership.
    It’s a well known psychological trick. Quite old.
    A human being is likely to believe four people he is watching at the same time who all agree on something even if it’s false.
    I watched a psychological test once where they had four people in a group insisting there was a snake in a dead tree on a new York sidewalk. There was no snake. None the less the people they talked to believed their was a snake and even hallucinated images of it. They later could not be convinced it was false even after those same four people came up, admitted they were lying, explained the test and showed pictures. That is the kind of stuff I am not immune to and I’m not going to expose myself to it.
     

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    NYT is still unusually good for a paper though.

    It sure is but that blurb was from Bloomberg press and Bloomberg is a known ANTZ. Unless and until I see confirmation from other sources and notices from FT, 3F, 2F, etc., informing us that they are suspending sales to the US, I'm not going to panic.
     

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    You never come by a Chinese customer in FT forums. So probably FT (and all other Chinese vendors we know) are only geared toward the int'l customer. Out of curiously, I just tried adding a second address in my FT account, and yes China isn't on the list.
    There must be other online vendors for the domestic market with Mandarin/Chinese websites whom we're not aware of. These are probably who are concerned with the recent policy. And who knows if it will be enforced or not and how.
     

    bombastinator

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    It sure is but that blurb was from Bloomberg press and Bloomberg is a known ANTZ. Unless and until I see confirmation from other sources and notices from FT, 3F, 2F, etc., informing us that they are suspending sales to the US, I'm not going to panic.

    interesting. Heading I saw was NYT. Reprint? Always read the fine print.
     

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    interesting. Heading I saw was NYT. Reprint? Always read the fine print.

    They even added this:

    • Disclosure: Michael R Bloomberg, the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg News parent Bloomberg LP, has campaigned and given money in support of a ban on flavoured e-cigarettes and tobacco.
     

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    and i hurried to catch the halloween sale!

    more sreious. sales is business as usual and not sign they want to sell what they can before... doodooo etc.?
    I gotta hit the Halloween sales too. I got a sister who is a big time goth and literally THE best time to shop for her is the day after Halloween. She particularly likes stuff with skulls on it.

    there’s stuff about you can’t get any other time of year.
     

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    You never come by a Chinese customer in FT forums. So probably FT (and all other Chinese vendors we know) are only geared toward the int'l customer. Out of curiously, I just tried adding a second address in my FT account, and yes China isn't on the list.
    There must be other online vendors for the domestic market with Mandarin/Chinese websites whom we're not aware of. These are probably who are concerned with the recent policy. And who knows if it will be enforced or not and how.
    I've come to that conclusion as well at least for now. My understanding is that China is not e-cigarette friendly from the beginning they have I believe the largest percentage of smokers in the world and if I'm correct in this they have more to lose from people switching to e-cigarettes than anyone else however they have more to gain from people producing products to sell to other countries. Who knows I'm definitely not an expert on China but that's the impression I get if anyone has any other information please let me know because I don't want to speak falsely of a country and sound like a .....
     

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