China's Vaping Hypocracy!

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I do not know if anyone else has posted about this topic, so here is mine. I recently tried to order a new tank and juice from a vendor on Taobao ( big online store in China), and was met with, "search not found", over and over again. I sent a Wechat (Chinese Twitter) to a vendor that I know in another city and was informed that the Chinese government had banned the sale of ALL vaping products. The reason? Well to stop children vaping of course. Apparently there is an epidemic (no pun), of kids stealing their parents credit cards, ordering hardware and juice and then hoping their parents do not intercept the parcels. Forgive me for being incredulous with this regard. So at a hand wave the Country that benefits the most from the vaping industry bans it from their own country! So vapers in the West think yourself lucky that your governments can not just railroad vaping as much as their sponsors would like them to. I am coming up to 11 years of vaping, going to be hard to keep going when a 30ml bottle of juice is Wechat selling for about $25 plus postage. Especially as I can buy a pack of MB red for just over a $. So I wonder how long I will be able to vape as I sip on my Corona V.
 

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They still sell to USA for now, check fasttech but the virus is disrupting shipments now, so get what you can before May state side and keep fingers crossed for China shipping. It is a real mess at the moment and stock up on what you vape now.
OP is in China so that isn't a viable option.
 

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They still sell to USA for now, check fasttech but the virus is disrupting shipments now, so get what you can before May state side and keep fingers crossed for China shipping. It is a real mess at the moment and stock up on what you vape now.
I live in China, and I believe you missed my point. They will keep selling their vaping products abroad. But smokers actually in China can not.
 

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I live in China, and I believe you missed my point. They will keep selling their vaping products abroad. But smokers actually in China can not.
Sorry I missed that you live in China, that really sucks that the biggest vape suppliers cannot sell in China! We are about in the same spot in US in May. It all sucks.
 

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OP... original poster (that would be you) This whole thing is a mess (really more of a bad joke) We have laws to prevent underage "kids" from purchasing vape stuff (just like tobacco and alcohol) so just need to enforce those better. The flavor ban makes even less sense because there are flavored cigars (like 3 for $1) and all kinds of yummy flavored alcohols. Here in the US, everything vaping related may be gone in May anyway. We are all frustrated. Meanwhile tobacco is "killing" hundreds of thousands.
 

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was informed that the Chinese government had banned the sale of ALL vaping products.

Only certain widely popular sites that sell anything and everything, like Alibaba, Aliexpress, DHgate, Taobao and such are adhering to this "ban" and it only applies to sales to the USA (well, maybe a few other countries). Not a total chinese ban on vape sales. The person who told you that just exaggerated.

If I browse Alibaba and AliExpress with a non-us IP address, I can see the products that normally would be blocked to me. No matter, I have nothing to buy at those sites. lol

The Chinese govt instated this ban, no doubt, to appease the US govt. Kinda of half-hearted, knowing full well the dedicated vape retailers would basically ignore it (for now).
 

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OP... original poster (that would be you) This whole thing is a mess (really more of a bad joke) We have laws to prevent underage "kids" from purchasing vape stuff (just like tobacco and alcohol) so just need to enforce those better. The flavor ban makes even less sense because there are flavored cigars (like 3 for $1) and all kinds of yummy flavored alcohols. Here in the US, everything vaping related may be gone in May anyway. We are all frustrated. Meanwhile tobacco is "killing" hundreds of thousands.
We all know they always use children as a political tool, from vaping, gun control and climate change. How many Chinese families do you think even have credit cards? :) I can assure you I could give a six year old a few yuan and ask them to go get me a pack of cigs and a bottle of booze and they would get served here. My biggest point is the revenue China makes from this industry. Would China being the biggest producer of tobacco on Earth and a very large smoking populace have anything to do with this decision, which is small minded of them seeing as most of the Nicotine also comes from China. I know I will get get bent comments from people that are currently living in ivory towers, but a few states are starting to fall. New Jersey I believe is one. The Moto here is quit or die!
 

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We all know they always use children as a political tool, from vaping, gun control and climate change. How many Chinese families do you think even have credit cards? :) I can assure you I could give a six year old a few yuan and ask them to go get me a pack of cigs and a bottle of booze and they would get served here. My biggest point is the revenue China makes from this industry. Would China being the biggest producer of tobacco on Earth and a very large smoking populace have anything to do with this decision, which is small minded of them seeing as most of the Nicotine also comes from China. I know I will get get bent comments from people that are currently living in ivory towers, but a few states are starting to fall. New Jersey I believe is one. The Moto here is quit or die!

The writing was on the wall from the beginning for those that have common sense.

Stocking up on gear and nicotine was always the only salvation for vapers in the USA.

IIRC, this vape-to-USA ban instated by the Chinese govt was right around the same time trump approved higher tariffs on some products and resources from China, then soon after the media started reporting vaping-related lung illnesses that ended in deaths.

It's no coincidence.
 

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The plain ugly truth is the tobacco industry gives huge amounts of money to any country that allows it and the taxes the countries reap from tobacco sales are sorely missed when sales are down. The bonus for them is cigarettes also double as an effective population control product.
 

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To my Old Cynical mind - it's as it always has been - "Follow the money."

Politics is a dirty game - do I really believe, in essence, any western government is any different?

Sadly I have lived too long to dispute the old saying -"How do you know when a Politician is lying? It's because his lips are moving!"
 

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I apologize for getting the subject of this thread confused with the Chinese-to-USA vape ban.

Yes, China cracked down on vape in China. Started somewhere around Nov 8 2019 or thereabouts. Read about it from another Chinese person on another vape forum.

We are not used to Chinese people posting about Chinese vape troubles here on ECF. 99.999999% of Chinese ECF members who post actively are vendors and their representatives. They don;t talk about problems in china or about vape in general. that would be bad for business lol
 

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    I do not know if anyone else has posted about this topic, so here is mine. I recently tried to order a new tank and juice from a vendor on Taobao ( big online store in China), and was met with, "search not found", over and over again. I sent a Wechat (Chinese Twitter) to a vendor that I know in another city and was informed that the Chinese government had banned the sale of ALL vaping products. The reason? Well to stop children vaping of course. Apparently there is an epidemic (no pun), of kids stealing their parents credit cards, ordering hardware and juice and then hoping their parents do not intercept the parcels. Forgive me for being incredulous with this regard. So at a hand wave the Country that benefits the most from the vaping industry bans it from their own country! So vapers in the West think yourself lucky that your governments can not just railroad vaping as much as their sponsors would like them to. I am coming up to 11 years of vaping, going to be hard to keep going when a 30ml bottle of juice is Wechat selling for about $25 plus postage. Especially as I can buy a pack of MB red for just over a $. So I wonder how long I will be able to vape as I sip on my Corona V.

    As another international vaper - you have my sympathy that you have to deal with this in China.

    It would have come about due to tocacco companies kicking up a stink about cigarette sales dropping, thanks to ex-smokers vaping. And had nothing to do with teens vaping.

    Have you got international sites you can purchase from? The UK and Europe might be your best bet.
     

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    Only certain widely popular sites that sell anything and everything, like Alibaba, Aliexpress, DHgate, Taobao and such are adhering to this "ban" and it only applies to sales to the USA (well, maybe a few other countries). Not a total chinese ban on vape sales. The person who told you that just exaggerated.

    If I browse Alibaba and AliExpress with a non-us IP address, I can see the products that normally would be blocked to me. No matter, I have nothing to buy at those sites. lol

    The Chinese govt instated this ban, no doubt, to appease the US govt. Kinda of half-hearted, knowing full well the dedicated vape retailers would basically ignore it (for now).
    No... about a month or more ago the Chinese government pretty much said that Chinese vendors should not sell online to Chinese citizens.
     
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