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From what I have read, Terry, there is some crossed wiring in the brain, that leaves us susceptible to random anxiety attacks. After the first surprise attacks, we become fearful of them. It's fear of fear. Things like physical abuse, can trigger the first ones and then the fear of the fear takes over.

I hope that makes sense.

You could be right. I never had them until I had the first one many years ago and it was a doozy. I was hyperventilating and didn't know it until the paramedics told me. I know how to prevent that now but not the gut wrenching, sickening feeling I get. Luckily it doesn't happen as often now that I don't have to work but stress still triggers it, that's why I need to move to a more suitable environment where it is quiet.
 

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Just As An FYI:

i'm very familiar with anxiety attacks, in fact i had 2 mild ones on this trip. I know there's a mental cause but not sure what a physical cause would be. Do you mean like physical abuse? Fear can bring one on for me, like the fear of losing something precious to me or fear of being homeless.

i think what jerry meant is a physical cause (or contributor, anyway) like something in your diet or environment. The mind and body are closely linked, and sometimes what you eat might manifest as a mental disorder, just like sometimes mental disorders can manifest as physical reactions.

I wasn't aware that there was a link between anxiety and dairy products. Very interesting!

from what i have read, terry, there is some crossed wiring in the brain, that leaves us susceptible to random anxiety attacks. After the first surprise attacks, we become fearful of them. It's fear of fear. Things like physical abuse, can trigger the first ones and then the fear of the fear takes over.

I hope that makes sense.

YEP - You all have it right . . . "Anxiety" & "Anxiety Attacks" can manifest for a number of varied and different reasons, including emotional, psychological, and physical triggers . . . AND - Even if "You" know the cause/s and/or try to avoid them - "Anxiety Attacks" can take over rather quickly and without any warning . . . A perfect example is the "Anxiety" many people feel when going through life changes or some kind of loss, just like quiting smoking . . . Another, would not be so obvious and can seem normal to many people, such as walking out "Your" front door or rushing to get somewhere . . . What is worse, is that the actual "Anxiety" disorder itself and "Anxiety Attacks" can and does manifest into other/additional disorders that become even more dipilitating to many people, including major physical/psychological problems - such as major depression . . . NOW - The good thing is once some one has been diagnosed/knows the causes/reasons for the "Anxiety"/"Anxiety Attacks" they can either prepare themselves or take action to try to lessen/prevent what happens to them . . . Just Sayin' . . . ;)
 
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Had to give you a hard time on that comment, SandySu:) Happens to the best of us.

I don't blame you. I deserved it. I don't know where my head's at lately. Sometimes I think I'm losing my mind, and just when it gets scary, my brain seems to work perfectly fine for a while. I get lulled. Then it happens again. I guess it's just old age.
 

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Unfortunately, the underlying cause of my anxiety attacks is still around. I used to get extremely anxious seeing young squeaky-clean men wearing white short-sleeved shirts. My daughter and I were discussing related issues last night. Last fall, she drove cross-country, and there was one section where she thought she was on the moon. That association stayed with her. She had more problems in Western Kansas.
 

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I don't blame you. I deserved it. I don't know where my head's at lately. Sometimes I think I'm losing my mind, and just when it gets scary, my brain seems to work perfectly fine for a while. I get lulled. Then it happens again. I guess it's just old age.
Keep your mind active, seek challenges, maintain that acuity and don't freak on the bloopers.
 

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The underlying cause of my panic attacks is long gone. It was my abusive mother.

YEP - Same here, still waiting for a few more "abusive" people to go too . . . :facepalm:

However, still have a few other triggers that bring on different "Anxiety Attacks" that I'm still working on too . . . Hey - I maybe a counselor at times to some, doesn't mean I don't go through the same type of issues . . . Just Sayin' . . . :facepalm:
 

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Keep your mind active, seek challenges, maintain that acuity and don't freak on the bloopers.

I think I do all of the above, and I don't freak about the bloopers, though I am naggingly worried. It's not the panic attack kind of worry, just a deep concern that doesn't show much on the outside.
 

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I think I do all of the above, and I don't freak about the bloopers, though I am naggingly worried. It's not the panic attack kind of worry, just a deep concern that doesn't show much on the outside.
Not to embarrass you, but I have been worried for you, too.
 

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I have had to deal with anxiety/depression since I was about 10 years old, when I had to be taken to ER because I went into shock. My parents had the divorce of the century, involving the entire neighborhood. Anyway, I eventually figured it out and get along pretty well now. This is the way I look at it now, lol, it's not me, it's them!

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.~~Jiddu Krishnamurti
 

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YEP - Same here, still waiting for a few more "abusive" people to go too . . . :facepalm:

However, still have a few other triggers that bring on different "Anxiety Attacks" that I'm still working on too . . . Hey - I maybe a counselor at times to some, doesn't mean I don't go through the same type of issues . . . Just Sayin' . . . :facepalm:
Yup, we are all human and we all have problems, Uncle.
 

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YEP - Same here, still waiting for a few more "abusive" people to go too . . . :facepalm:

However, still have a few other triggers that bring on different "Anxiety Attacks" that I'm still working on too . . . Hey - I maybe a counselor at times to some, doesn't mean I don't go through the same type of issues . . . Just Sayin' . . . :facepalm:

My experience with abusive people is to set strict limits on them and their behavior around me, and then get rid of them entirely ASAP. I've decided to have as little to do with that type as is humanly possible. Maybe it makes me a sort of hermit, since so much of the world is crazy, but that's better than the stress of dealing with crazy people and trying to make sense out of their behavior when there is no sense to be made of it.

One case in point is the barn owner where I board Penny. I think she's truly crazy. I don't want to have to deal with it, so I try to see her at the barn as little as possible. I go during the early part of the day before she gets home from work. Most of the time, I'm at the barn by myself, and it's better that way, since the other people seem sort of weird -- either erratic like the barn owner or self-absorbed like one of the other boarders and the instructor. One other boarder seems nice, but I rarely see her, too.

Uncle, I think it helps to have problems similar to the people you counsel. If you've been through it and found solutions, then your experience and success can be inspiring and helpful to those you counsel.
 

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I have had to deal with anxiety/depression since I was about 10 years old, when I had to be taken to ER because I went into shock. My parents had the divorce of the century, involving the entire neighborhood. Anyway, I eventually figured it out and get along pretty well now. This is the way I look at it now, lol, it's not me, it's them!

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.~~Jiddu Krishnamurti

Yup, Q. I don't hate my mother, I forgave her after she died, even though she never admitted or apologized for what she did to me. It was her problem and she had to answer to God for how she lived her life. I hope that God went easy on her. :)
 

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Yup, Q. I don't hate my mother, I forgave her after she died, even though she never admitted or apologized for what she did to me. It was her problem and she had to answer to God for how she lived her life. I hope that God went easy on her. :)
Forgiveness can be quite a challenge. Understanding why people do what they do can be a large pert of the process.

I am enjoying seeing you being open about another part of your life, {{Jerry}}
 

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Yup, we are all human and we all have problems, Uncle.

Oh WOW - I didn't know I was "Human" . . . ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:

Uncle, I think it helps to have problems similar to the people you counsel. If you've been through it and found solutions, then your experience and success can be inspiring and helpful to those you counsel.

YEP - IMO - That is a prerequisite for any Counselor/Therapist . . . No book knowledge is more enlightening then personal experience (although it does help and actually formalizes what the person knows) . . . More importantly, I would never ever trust or allow someone to be "My" Therapist who has never experience the same/similar issue(s) or been to a "Counselor" - nor gone through "Therapy" them self . . . Just Sayin' . . . ;)
 
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