If they're suing Reynolds/Vuse for formaldehyde etc, they will lose. There is no doubt: RJR will have reams of data which show their products do not heat the liquid to the temperatures required to create formaldehyde.
Madness.
Madness.
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Madness?!!! Hurry alert the media, no time to check facts, we might still make the 6:00 news. They really love this kind of crap.
Do you know what occurred to me? The exhalations of all people contain millions of bacteria, and depending on exposure, a bunch of viruses as well. So the unseen/invisible exhalations of each and every person is likely far more "dangerous" than any vapour exhalant out there. Don't both PG and VG have anti-bacterial properties? Is it possible that vapers are the only ones who are "decontaminating" their respirations?
What do you think?
What do you think?
Its true. Maybe I can start suing random people in Walmart for putting their germs in my air. Hmm....
Quick search found this study:
Conclusions
l. 0f the sixty samples of glycerin tested only one
(BC ) was found to be contaminated under the conditions
of the test employed. This contaminant was identified as
a member of the genus BaciIIus. Since the investigators
had no control over either the steriIization of the containers
in which the samples were colIected and shipped or the actual
colIection, the source of this contaminant could not be
ascertained.
2. Glycerin was found to be bacteriostatic (inhibiting) and bactericidal (death)
at various concentrations against Pseudomonas aeruginosa ,
Escherichia coli, Salmonella typhimurium and Staphylococcus
aureus.
3. A positive correlation was found between the bacteriostatic
and bactericidal concentrations of g'lycerin against
the test organisms .
4. The use of glycerin as a preservative of clinical samples
which are to be analyzed for SalmonelIa and other pathogenic
enteric organisms should be re-evaluated in light of our
Iimited data.
Glycerine | Science | American Cleaning Institute
And I'm pretty sure the propylene glycol is even better at killing germs.
Not the first time I've said this and know you won't disagree, but not only do I not think of vaping as dangerous, I actually think it is plausibly better for you than breathing fresh air. I mean, can I breathe in (only) fresh air and not have a cold over 4 years?
People in elevators ought to thank vapers for vaping in there with them. If they could only be so lucky.
and to avoid anyone suing themselves it would also need to be tattooed backwards so it's readable in the mirror.
Yep. We all knew that - I wasn't so sure of glycerol - there were other studies, mainly where it was used with burn victims/skin grafts that also stopped other microbial bacteria, but this one addressed specific bacteria. Stopping e.coli and Staph is pretty good.
Yes, and I very much appreciated your post...
Because it's not easy to find evidence of VG (glycerin) anti-microbial properties.
Side note: Microbes includes germs, viruses, fungi, and other nasties
Side note: So saying anti-microbial is more encompassing than anti-bacterial, germicidal, or anti-fungal.
If we are being completely honest about it, everyone everywhere should promote vaping.
The scientific evidence certainly leans that way.
But I don't think they'e contageous from being airborne. Hopefully, vapers get VG on their fingers from filling tanks.
Unwelcome Guest: Airborne Staph in Homes
Staphylococcus aureus, one of the most prevalent causes of infections of the blood, skin, soft tissue, and lower respiratory tract, spreads through close contact with contaminated people and surfaces. Although a few studies hint that airborne transmission of the microbe may be involved in hospital infections, no studies have examined indoor levels of S. aureus outside of a hospital setting. The first study to monitor S. aureus bioaerosols in residences shows that strains of the bacterium are common inhabitants of indoor and outdoor air [EHP 114:1859–1864; Gandara et al.]. Moreover, indoor strains are particularly resistant to commonly prescribed antibiotics.
Significance of airborne transmission of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus in an otolaryngology-head and neck surgery unit. - PubMed - NCBI
CONCLUSIONS:
Methicillin-resistant S aureus was recirculated among the patients, the air, and the inamimate environments, especially when there was movement in the rooms. Airborne MRSA may play a role in MRSA colonization in the nasal cavity or in respiratory tract MRSA infections. Measures should be taken to prevent the spread of airborne MRSA to control nosocomial MRSA infection in hospitals.
But, yeah, with e.coli you pretty much have to be in a 'livestock building' in high humidity.
The survival of Escherichia coli in an aerosol at air temperatures of 15 and 30 degrees C and a range of humidities.
The survival of Escherichia coli in an aerosol was studied at several temperatures and over a range of relative humidities using a Henderson apparatus. Death occurred in two phases, the first lasting approximately 1 min; in the second the number of viable microorganisms declined exponentially. E. coli was robust and remained viable for many hours. Death was most rapid at low humidities (less than 50% r.h.) at 15 and 30 degrees C, with half-lives of 14 and 3 min respectively. In humid conditions the half-lives were much longer, approximately 83 and 14 min respectively. Based on this work, preliminary recommendations for the climate of livestock buildings can now be given to control the airborne spread of E. coli.
Staphylococcus aureus, one of the most prevalent causes of infections of the blood, skin, soft tissue, and lower respiratory tract, spreads through close contact with contaminated people and surfaces. Although a few studies hint that airborne transmission of the microbe may be involved in hospital infections, no studies have examined indoor levels of S. aureus outside of a hospital setting. The first study to monitor S. aureus bioaerosols in residences shows that strains of the bacterium are common inhabitants of indoor and outdoor air [EHP 114:1859–1864; Gandara et al.]. Moreover, indoor strains are particularly resistant to commonly prescribed antibiotics.
Significance of airborne transmission of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus in an otolaryngology-head and neck surgery unit. - PubMed - NCBI
CONCLUSIONS:
Methicillin-resistant S aureus was recirculated among the patients, the air, and the inamimate environments, especially when there was movement in the rooms. Airborne MRSA may play a role in MRSA colonization in the nasal cavity or in respiratory tract MRSA infections. Measures should be taken to prevent the spread of airborne MRSA to control nosocomial MRSA infection in hospitals.
But, yeah, with e.coli you pretty much have to be in a 'livestock building' in high humidity.
The survival of Escherichia coli in an aerosol at air temperatures of 15 and 30 degrees C and a range of humidities.
The survival of Escherichia coli in an aerosol was studied at several temperatures and over a range of relative humidities using a Henderson apparatus. Death occurred in two phases, the first lasting approximately 1 min; in the second the number of viable microorganisms declined exponentially. E. coli was robust and remained viable for many hours. Death was most rapid at low humidities (less than 50% r.h.) at 15 and 30 degrees C, with half-lives of 14 and 3 min respectively. In humid conditions the half-lives were much longer, approximately 83 and 14 min respectively. Based on this work, preliminary recommendations for the climate of livestock buildings can now be given to control the airborne spread of E. coli.
Recently, observing some Vegan lecture porn on YouTube. Guy breaks e.coli down. "E.coli", says he, "comes from animal s___, veggies don't sh__!" Granted my wife pointed out that at times animal dung is often a veggie fertilizer. This lecturing guy's point though was still valid. Far less e.coli from eating veggies than eating meats. And no, not trying to be on a soap box, merely agreeing related to veggie glycerine destroying e.coli bacteria / virus.
Yeah, they want everything "natural". And sometimes they get it.
True enough. Although I was also thinking about rice grown in Asia and imported. In some places, I know they still use oxen powered plows in the rice fields. Not saying anything is wrong in that, so long as one is allowed hopes rice is cleaned well before sold out.
How can one base anything on ones personal experience I don't know,
No offence, but wishful thinking & denial all spring to mind when reading some of the posts here...
If doctors (not vapers) thought PG was healthier than air, would they not prescribe such treatments to asthma and respiratory illness patients, PG has been around for a very long time.
No offence, but wishful thinking & denial all spring to mind when reading some of the posts here...
If doctors (not vapers) thought PG was healthier than air, would they not prescribe such treatments to asthma and respiratory illness patients, PG has been around for a very long time.
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