Contamination of Vit E in vape related illness & death
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The link got censored (on this forum). Change the "..." to the T-word (lower case) and it should work.
I have another question. "Its boiling point is 363 degrees Fahrenheit, which is well above the 212 degree F boiling point for water, and nearly four times higher than normal human body temperature... When that vapor cools down in the lungs, it returns to its original state at that temperature and pressure, she said, which means 'it has now coated the inside of your lungs with that oil,' she said." (Denver Post)
Wouldn't vapor that hot cause actual burns, particularly in the mouth? No burns have been reported. So that part doesn't ring true.
Wouldn't vapor that hot cause actual burns, particularly in the mouth? No burns have been reported. So that part doesn't ring true.
363f bp is less than that of pg (371f) , much lower than the bp of vg/glycerol (554f).
Note that the above temperatures are for those substances in a pure form.
When we vape, each puff is only vaporizing a very small amount of eliquid. That vaporized eliquid is being mixed with air at room temp before coming out of the drip tip. The chimney section of a tank/RDA is also acting like a radiator - vapor coming in contact with it is cooled (& you get some condensation, vapor converting back to a liquid state)
(One of the ecf chemistry gurus would have a much better explanation)
Note that the above temperatures are for those substances in a pure form.
When we vape, each puff is only vaporizing a very small amount of eliquid. That vaporized eliquid is being mixed with air at room temp before coming out of the drip tip. The chimney section of a tank/RDA is also acting like a radiator - vapor coming in contact with it is cooled (& you get some condensation, vapor converting back to a liquid state)
(One of the ecf chemistry gurus would have a much better explanation)
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I assume you're replying to me. Yes, I know how it cools down. But that's why the explanation in the Denver Post is bogus. Both theoretically and by simple observation.
Any stories like such in Europe? Always seems so weird that most vape health related issues are coming from the US?
So far in the UK I have only seen reports of the USA situation. No reports yet about Europe that I have seen.
Again, these problems are not due to vaping nicotine. They are due to vaping (other stuff) extracts that have been "cut" with an inappropriate dilutent.
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Michael Siegel presents proof that "the CDC is actively attempting to decrease its ability to conclude that T** oils are causing these reported cases."
"The glaring omission in the CDC's recommendations for clinicians is that they failed to recommend that clinicians conduct a sensitive urine drug screen for T** in every patient."
"This is the only way to determine with reasonable accuracy whether a patient used a T**-containing product. Simply relying on self-reports is not sensitive enough because many youth will understandably hide the fact that they were using an illicit, black market drug that was essentially obtained from drug dealers."
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: The Most Telling Sign that CDC is Protecting Illicit Marijuana Drug Dealers While Doing Everything it Can to Pin this Outbreak on Traditional E-Cigarettes
"The glaring omission in the CDC's recommendations for clinicians is that they failed to recommend that clinicians conduct a sensitive urine drug screen for T** in every patient."
"This is the only way to determine with reasonable accuracy whether a patient used a T**-containing product. Simply relying on self-reports is not sensitive enough because many youth will understandably hide the fact that they were using an illicit, black market drug that was essentially obtained from drug dealers."
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: The Most Telling Sign that CDC is Protecting Illicit Marijuana Drug Dealers While Doing Everything it Can to Pin this Outbreak on Traditional E-Cigarettes
If vaping per se were indeed lethal ( excluding the possibility that it might give us The Terminal Trots, Galloping IBS, not to mention Plasticised Teeth ( which we won't then) ) I have but one question which I will phrase in my Native Scots - "How come then are we no' a' deid by noo?"
If anyone here is still standing, maybe you'd like to turn the lights off as you leave before you kick the proverbial bucket.
If anyone here is still standing, maybe you'd like to turn the lights off as you leave before you kick the proverbial bucket.
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I thought that UK legislators were as thick as two short planks in many cases, but the USA seems to breed a special IQ Zero variety. Where are they made, the Barbie factory?
It's not the (other stuff) that caused the problem - It was idiots using harmful liquid as a vehicle -
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At least they have a Government. Ours currently looks sorta like this...
That would be an improvement here -
The delivery method of the substance was vaping. The substance was added to (other stuff) and sold or DIY. No (other stuff), No problem.
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I didn't say method - I said vehicle - The Vitamin E Acetate - SHOULD NOT BE VAPED -
The problem is NOT the (other stuff) - It's idiots who don't know or care what they are putting in it - -
No matter what - If you are buying from a stranger - That's a risky venture -
The news will spread and word on the streets will get out that they should not use that stuff -
So - "Get rid of all regulations - Unless it regulates something I don't do or see or know much about at all - I don't like it - So PROHIBIT IT" - ??
Isn't that the same problem we have with E-Cigs -
Clueless people making decisions that disallow others just cause they don't like it - -
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Not the outside sorry I'll be backing off!
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