This is my big worry. Im just starting to upgrade away from eGo's and Im afraid by the time it comes out I will already have gear that fills that niche. All depends on quality though. Lets hope its not a "jack of all trades, master of none"
Cyborg - ProVari Killer?
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This is my big worry. Im just starting to upgrade away from eGo's and Im afraid by the time it comes out I will already have gear that fills that niche. All depends on quality though. Lets hope its not a "jack of all trades, master of none"
Thats dissapointing, I was looking forward to ordering a FluidFlask. Did you try to contact them and have it replaced?
I buy plenty of things I don't need, I just am not sure what will make me want this for $250. Might be interested in just getting the head unit, depending on the price, and buying my tubes elsewhere since there are plenty of cheap and not so cheap tubes made to take the evic head already.
I already have nice mechs, so while that part is a big thing for some people, it doesn't interest me. A individual purchase of the DNA20 is 50.00, obviously wholesale would be less, so it'll be interesting to see if they sell just the dna20 screw in and what price that is.
Was planning to but didn't after I saw that other reviewers got their tubes in the same condition, I figured that's just how they send them out. I couldn't care less about the certificate of authenticity, but why make it a selling point and not bother to include it. The tank looks different, I thought it looked awesome at first but that wears off after a while. If I had to do it again, I would have just gotten a lavatank or a kir fanis tank. Heck the 22mm Ibtanked look nice. I just think having a metal tube cover ( regardless if it's more decorative than functional ) and a plastic tube, idiotic. Especially for $70.
LOL... Agreed... I still remember when the original LavaTube was dubbed the "ProVari Killer"... Turns out the ProVari doesn't die so easily.
I would imagine the CyBorg will perform the same as every other DNA chipped MOD out there... I may be wrong but I don't think I am.
I do like the whole regulated AND Mech idea but I already have top-of-the-line Mechs so it's not a selling point for me. I doubt I'll buy one; I'd rather have a ProVari for $110 cheaper (ProVari v2 = $140).
I really don't understand what makes this so expensive. The DNA chipset is around $50 retail so why does the end price equal $250? Doesn't make sense to me. If it turns out to be "better" than the ProVari I might get one but I definitely won't by any of the first run.
I do like the whole regulated AND Mech idea but I already have top-of-the-line Mechs so it's not a selling point for me. I doubt I'll buy one; I'd rather have a ProVari for $110 cheaper (ProVari v2 = $140).
I really don't understand what makes this so expensive. The DNA chipset is around $50 retail so why does the end price equal $250? Doesn't make sense to me. If it turns out to be "better" than the ProVari I might get one but I definitely won't by any of the first run.
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My Leatherman Wave is probably the most "versatile" tool I have and it is most definitely a quality tool. It just doesn't get used very often because I have other "single purpose" tools that perform their specific functions better than the Leatherman.
I feel the same way about my mods... I don't want a DNA20 mod that can become a mech unless it's going to be a better mech than the mechs I already have. Personally, I'd prefer a dedicated DNA20 tube mod and leaves the "being a mech" to my mechs.
How many times did I say mech???
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I feel the same way about my mods... I don't want a DNA20 mod that can become a mech unless it's going to be a better mech than the mechs I already have. Personally, I'd prefer a dedicated DNA20 tube mod and leaves the "being a mech" to my mechs.
How many times did I say mech???
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i don't think it will kill the provari....at least not the mini.
one of the things that makes the provari mini so attractive is the size. this thing looks big.
imho, the next big thing needs to be a vv/vw device that is less than 3in (p.mini is 3.5in).
if THAT ever hit the market....it would destroy all the competition.
one of the things that makes the provari mini so attractive is the size. this thing looks big.
imho, the next big thing needs to be a vv/vw device that is less than 3in (p.mini is 3.5in).
if THAT ever hit the market....it would destroy all the competition.
Yeah... I have heard about Every 3 Months how This ____ is going to be the Next Provari Killer. Have heard it since the Provari came out.
And last time I check, seems the Provari s Alive and Going Well.
Size is a Consideration to me.
Why is a Vamo in 18350 Mode Longer than a Provari in 18490/18500 Mode?
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The only reason the provari isn't dead is because people are cheap and refuse to replace something that cost so much with better pv's. The provari is on its last breathe, I don't know why someone would buy one when you can have a sigelei zmax for a fraction of the price and use any battery you want(button or flat-top), it has a better screen, it is VW which is better in my opinion and many others, and you can use ego and 510 without an adapter. The provari is well built but so is the zmax. If the zmax was 200 bucks everyone would be saying it is the best because thats how you fanboys operate. "It costs more so it must be far superior" you would say. Stick to the facts, the sigelei zmax and many other pv's are better than the provari and have been for a long time. Just because you overspent doesn't mean you should tell others to make the same mistake you did. The cyborg looks awesome and I really want one. It may just be the zmax killer.
Better is in the Eyes of the Beholder.
As soon as you Realize this, you will see why Both your Post and My post is Correct.
BTW - I had a zmax and it was Nice. Until I dropped it and it Stopped Working. And since it was more than 90 days, 117 to be Exact, I now have a Nice $100 Paperweight.
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I've got both the Z-Max and the Provari... The Z-Max started acting goofy (like going into the menu system in the middle of a vape or complete misfires) about a week after the 90 day warrantee expired. The Provari, on the other hand, has taken 10 times the abuse and never skipped a beat. If you honestly believe that the Z-Max and the Provari have the same build quality, then you don't know what build quality is... That or you've never actually used one for any length of time and you're simply regurgitating someone else's crap.
You also need to look at the company that stands behind the product. If anything goes wrong with the ProVari, it can and will be fixed by ProVape. When something goes wrong with the Z-Max, you have a new paperweight.
The reason the ProVari / ProVape have the reputation and fan base that they have, is because it's been earned.
I'm not saying that there aren't things that I dislike about the Provari. It definitely has its limitations and I'd agree it's time for V3 that can meet or beat the DNA20.
There is an assumption made here that being able to do more things is better. I disagree strongly. A Swiss army knife is really cool but I wouldn't want to have it in a knife fight. I certainly have no interest in a telescopic mod. I would much prefer my device be made out of one solid piece. I don't want to mess around with more than one kind of battery. In fact I made sure that the two mods that I use regularly take the same battery.
I do not see any advantage (to me) in having VW as opposed to VV and seems totally redundant to have both. I tried a kick, the idea behind the kick is that you can attach anything with the same wattage and get the same vape. This is untrue, an atomizer at 8W is not the same as a cartomizer at 8W. Also even with the same exact cartomizer, different juices taste better at different voltage/watts. And with cartomizers they require more power as they age. So if you are going to be constantly tweaking the settings, what does it matter if it is VV or VW.
As far as this vs that. Most of this is subjective and depends upon how a particular person uses their device. After going through around 20 devices I now only use two of them, that in my opinion are the best in their respective classes based upon what I've tried and feature list and reviews of those I haven't, those being the Provari Mini and the Precise+ 18350. I have plenty of complaints about the Provari Mini, but they don't have anything to do with performance, only aesthetics and ergonomics which I won't go into here.
I do not see any advantage (to me) in having VW as opposed to VV and seems totally redundant to have both. I tried a kick, the idea behind the kick is that you can attach anything with the same wattage and get the same vape. This is untrue, an atomizer at 8W is not the same as a cartomizer at 8W. Also even with the same exact cartomizer, different juices taste better at different voltage/watts. And with cartomizers they require more power as they age. So if you are going to be constantly tweaking the settings, what does it matter if it is VV or VW.
As far as this vs that. Most of this is subjective and depends upon how a particular person uses their device. After going through around 20 devices I now only use two of them, that in my opinion are the best in their respective classes based upon what I've tried and feature list and reviews of those I haven't, those being the Provari Mini and the Precise+ 18350. I have plenty of complaints about the Provari Mini, but they don't have anything to do with performance, only aesthetics and ergonomics which I won't go into here.
I have dropped my zmax many times and have not had a problem. It is six months old now and I have not had 1 problem with it. I sold my provari a few weeks after getting my zmax because I liked it better. As far as build quality my zmax is as good if not better than my provari was. I am a machinist and work with metals daily so I'm pretty sure I can spot good build quality and the zmax has that in spades. I do appreciate that provape stands behind their product as that is the only thing they have going for them at the moment. But anyway the cyborg should be upon us soon then we can discuss the pro's and con's of that device.
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