My post was not Darwin specific. Any PV that is USB chargeable can be handled that way, including the EverCool. No need to purchase a second PV for "backup", just purchase a backup power source.
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My post was not Darwin specific. Any PV that is USB chargeable can be handled that way, including the EverCool. No need to purchase a second PV for "backup", just purchase a backup power source.
Al
LOL Switched, I'm not even buying a Darwin but I can unequivocally state that an Evercool mod and the Darwin don't play in the same space.
I don't know if I'd call myself defending the Darwin, but if it produces as well as Angus & Mutt suggest it will, then I am very excited to see this come out.
That being said, it does still need to prove itself ( no offense Angus & Mutt ). Two people have had their hands on this device and both say it works very well,
and those were just prototypes. It is very amusing to see all the experts tearing the poor Darwin apart and it hasn't even made it to market yet.
Yes it is a little higher priced than some other devices out there but not that much. I mean, come on people, have we already forgotten the halcyon days
of $40 & $50 dollar cartons of cigs that we had to buy EVERY WEEK. I have been off analogs for over six months now, and even with all the juices I've tried,
and the 3 diff types of batties, and all the diff cartos, and the 2 diff mods, I still haven't spent as much as I would have on cigs.
If the VV mods are perfect for you then "Good On Ya", but I don't see the need to get all snarky about it.
"And that's all I got to say about that"...
That being said, it does still need to prove itself ( no offense Angus & Mutt ). Two people have had their hands on this device and both say it works very well,
and those were just prototypes. It is very amusing to see all the experts tearing the poor Darwin apart and it hasn't even made it to market yet.
Yes it is a little higher priced than some other devices out there but not that much. I mean, come on people, have we already forgotten the halcyon days
of $40 & $50 dollar cartons of cigs that we had to buy EVERY WEEK. I have been off analogs for over six months now, and even with all the juices I've tried,
and the 3 diff types of batties, and all the diff cartos, and the 2 diff mods, I still haven't spent as much as I would have on cigs.
If the VV mods are perfect for you then "Good On Ya", but I don't see the need to get all snarky about it.
"And that's all I got to say about that"...
"OT... but all I could think of was Endora .....ing at Samantha... "
LoL!! Wasn't his name Darrin?
LoL!! Wasn't his name Darrin?
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there is a lot of nit-picking in this thread.
those that defend the evercool are, more than likely, modders themselves, with varying degrees of electronics experience. I fall into this category, which is why I will never purchase a darwin. reason being is that I am in school for electrical engineering, and would take much more enjoyment in designing something myself (I mentioned the variable wattage concept almost 6 months ago in the modders section and caught all kinds of flak from the modding "veterans" for it. In fact, I wanted to implement it in an almost identical way that the darwin creaters are doing it, monitoring resistance and adjusting voltage). There is nothing in the darwin that cannot be recreated by someone with some technical skill and knowledge. Additionally, a built in battery is a turn off for me as well. I love being able to carry a spare. I get 10 hours from a charge, will be getting much better life on my next evercool. The regulator for my touch sensor IC, and the touch sensor IC itself lowered battery life. Previously, I was getting 14+ hours.
The ones defending the darwin may not be into modding, and in that case, it would appeal to them. Additionally, most modders do not have access to a machine shop where they can make a "pretty" PV. Mine all look like hack jobs, but they get the job done on the cheap, so no complaints from me. I'm a function over form kinda guy.
I applaud the efforts of the darwin team, as they are spending the time and resources to make a consumer good. Something that I would have no motivation to do. Way too many headaches for myself, and most modders.
There are benefits to each side. Nothing electrically revolutionary being done with the darwin, nothing wrong with the evercool. To each his own.
I do, however, have in interest in keeping up with how technology is applied to PV's, which is why I enjoy threads such as this.
those that defend the evercool are, more than likely, modders themselves, with varying degrees of electronics experience. I fall into this category, which is why I will never purchase a darwin. reason being is that I am in school for electrical engineering, and would take much more enjoyment in designing something myself (I mentioned the variable wattage concept almost 6 months ago in the modders section and caught all kinds of flak from the modding "veterans" for it. In fact, I wanted to implement it in an almost identical way that the darwin creaters are doing it, monitoring resistance and adjusting voltage). There is nothing in the darwin that cannot be recreated by someone with some technical skill and knowledge. Additionally, a built in battery is a turn off for me as well. I love being able to carry a spare. I get 10 hours from a charge, will be getting much better life on my next evercool. The regulator for my touch sensor IC, and the touch sensor IC itself lowered battery life. Previously, I was getting 14+ hours.
The ones defending the darwin may not be into modding, and in that case, it would appeal to them. Additionally, most modders do not have access to a machine shop where they can make a "pretty" PV. Mine all look like hack jobs, but they get the job done on the cheap, so no complaints from me. I'm a function over form kinda guy.
I applaud the efforts of the darwin team, as they are spending the time and resources to make a consumer good. Something that I would have no motivation to do. Way too many headaches for myself, and most modders.
There are benefits to each side. Nothing electrically revolutionary being done with the darwin, nothing wrong with the evercool. To each his own.
I do, however, have in interest in keeping up with how technology is applied to PV's, which is why I enjoy threads such as this.
I'm in agreement.
As I've said, I'm not getting a Darwin. The price, general look and side-mounted connection just aren't for me.
That said, the Darwin, on paper, holds a lot of promise. It does something no other device does ATM.
I do have an issue with somebody that's ordering an Evercool device from a modder to their specs and then coming into another thread about a different device asking why anyone would chose the device being discussed over the Evercool. The person in question doesn't even have their EC yet.
Now I respect the guy building the Tekk mods with the EC enhancement (givesuhe11). He's not the one that posted in this thread though.
I count myself as a modder. I've been producing syringe mods, atty mods, MAP styled mods, box mods, etc. I'm not an EE so I'm not designing my own PV.
As a modder, I can appreciate what Darwin is hoping to do and I can appreciate the Tekk+EC mod. I do not consider them to be playing the same field though. If battery life was my primary concern, I would have LOTS of 18650 options, not just the one put forth, and hell, there are at least two mods on the horizon that will use a 26650.
The Tekk+EC mod doesn't do what Darwin does. No mod out there right now does and I haven't read about any that will come to market anytime soon that will.
I'm all for comparisons and each person's PV will always be a personal choice. I still stand by my assertion that the poster posed a question that really shows a lack of understanding in what the two mods do though.
Ok, I'm done, back to your regularly scheduled programing.
From their website:
"Welcome to Evolv.
Our site is currently under construction. We invite you to create an account with us if you like.
We will be posting updated news about the Darwin release very soon, so please check back and thank you for visiting."
But that's been there since the 28th.
Hope to see it yet today, but doubtful.
True, but Travis did state why he didn't want one and the solution was plug it in. Come on folks...
Wrt Darwin vice Evercool who knows? The only two people that can truly comment here are Mutt and Angus. The rest of us we can sit around eating our peanuts
The rest of us we can sit around eating our peanuts
Yep... lurk & learn... lurk & learn...
I do not see it so much as "defending" Darwin as I do responses to people coming in here trying to knock it down (especially as no one knows what is inside it).
If someone does not like a menu in a restaurant, they go somewhere else. How does that person look if they stand in the middle of the restaurant thumping their chest and yelling "Hey everyone, listen to me! I don't like this menu and I know food!"
From a price perspective, comparing smart mods (those using PCBs - with all the extensive investment) - there are only 3 (that I know of so far): Provari, Eclipse and Darwin. Of the 3, Darwin has the lowest purchase price (assuming one has to purchase batts & charger).
Provari is $160, the extension for 18650 is $20, 2 batts is $22, charger is $16 and the extension warranty (from 1 yr to 2yrs) is $25 = $243 (I have Provari and very happy with it).
Eclipse has already been implied the price will be over $250 (granted, it will be a feeder but feeders are not for everyone and we don't yet know the actual total price).
Darwin is $229 - all inclusive with 2 year warranty on device and 1 yr warranty on the batts (nobody else offers a 1 yr warranty on batts).
Comparing "smart" devices to "dumb" devices makes no sense as the investment is incomparable.
Arguing any case without any evidence is equally meaningless.
If you really need more batt life than Darwin, get one of these: 1,500,000 mAh and you can see behind it that I found a lovely grey shoulder-bag carry case from The Sharper Image
If someone does not like a menu in a restaurant, they go somewhere else. How does that person look if they stand in the middle of the restaurant thumping their chest and yelling "Hey everyone, listen to me! I don't like this menu and I know food!"
From a price perspective, comparing smart mods (those using PCBs - with all the extensive investment) - there are only 3 (that I know of so far): Provari, Eclipse and Darwin. Of the 3, Darwin has the lowest purchase price (assuming one has to purchase batts & charger).
Provari is $160, the extension for 18650 is $20, 2 batts is $22, charger is $16 and the extension warranty (from 1 yr to 2yrs) is $25 = $243 (I have Provari and very happy with it).
Eclipse has already been implied the price will be over $250 (granted, it will be a feeder but feeders are not for everyone and we don't yet know the actual total price).
Darwin is $229 - all inclusive with 2 year warranty on device and 1 yr warranty on the batts (nobody else offers a 1 yr warranty on batts).
Comparing "smart" devices to "dumb" devices makes no sense as the investment is incomparable.
Arguing any case without any evidence is equally meaningless.
If you really need more batt life than Darwin, get one of these: 1,500,000 mAh and you can see behind it that I found a lovely grey shoulder-bag carry case from The Sharper Image
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They both work on the same principals (active switching power supply) so efficiency-wise, they should be similar. It can safely be assumed that they're both north of 90% efficient. While one may be more efficient than the other, it can't be by much.
OT... but all I could think of was Endora .....ing at Samantha...
but then it would have to be posted by.... BE-SWITCHED!
bwahahaha!
Wrt Darwin vice Evercool who knows? The only two people that can truly comment here are Mutt and Angus. The rest of us we can sit around eating our peanuts
Someone send me an Evercool, and I'll do a side-by-side review.
What VV mods do you have experience with?Someone send me an Evercool, and I'll do a side-by-side review.
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