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Because people are such sheep that they will buy anything that is "on sale" because they are getting a good deal? I fail to see how this is underhanded. If people really were sheep, then yes, I suppose it could be. If people really are that stupid, I'm starting my own business. I can buy a bunch of bottles, take the lid off, put it back on, and sell these bottles as "Oklahoma Air". I will put the list price at $350.00 per bottle, but "sale price" of $230.00 per bottle. Thats $120.00 off!
The fact is that list price/sale price don't actually mean anything. The value of an item is determined by what people are willing to pay. If ProVape were to suddenly jump the price of the ProVari to $230 to match the Darwin, that's not underhanded, it's business. If they can raise the price to $400.00 and still sell them, again, if people are willing to pay it, that is what it's worth. Being underhanded would be more akin to stating a $149 sale price, charging people on the pre-order, then jumping the price to $200 and stating that if those that have already paid want their $149 back instead of paying the rest, they will be subject to a $10 re-stocking fee.
Even if the device would never sell for the price they present, it doesn't matter so long as it does sell for the price they charge. I am also inclined to believe that the device would sell for the "list price", since those wanting the Darwin are using the "list price" of the ProVari in order to show that the price for the Darwin is reasonable.
If the Darwin does not sell at the price they have stated and they have to lower it, is that underhanded? What if they sold say 30 units before they lowered the price? That would seem underhanded to a lot of people, especially those that had already bought their Darwin.
Again, you can not build false value in the product, because value is a direct reflection of what people are willing to pay. If you have a tendency to buy things simple because the price is below the "list price", then you would fit the adage of "a fool and his money are soon parted".
No, lowering the price of a product is not underhanded at all, thats business. Listing an inflated price that the unit NEVER has sold for, thats creating a false value. And too me, thats a BS move for any company.
And I will state this one more time. I am not saying this is what is going on. I am still hoping that the sales price listed for their products are just for the holidays and that the list prices for their products are the prices that they normally charge.
And I will state this one more time. I am not saying this is what is going on. I am still hoping that the sales price listed for their products are just for the holidays and that the list prices for their products are the prices that they normally charge.
Is this anything like when you go into TJMaxx? They have an MSRP on the tag and then list an 'our price' price.
The first price is for a product that is made properly without any defects, yet since there are defects in the products they (TJMaxx) purchased them at discounted prices or shelf life is almost upon them, they are sold at a discount.
I know this is not what is going on, but it is what pops into my mind when I see this type of price listing. Kinda made me laugh.
The first price is for a product that is made properly without any defects, yet since there are defects in the products they (TJMaxx) purchased them at discounted prices or shelf life is almost upon them, they are sold at a discount.
I know this is not what is going on, but it is what pops into my mind when I see this type of price listing. Kinda made me laugh.
Pricing at ECF vendors is interesting.
I was at a sup sub lurking about. A potential purchaser of a common item asked if there was a coupon code. There was none then, nor ever.
The poster bragged that all vaping equipment he/she had purchased was via a discount. The poster entered a long soliloquy about the obligation vendors have to their customers.
By what right?
I was at a sup sub lurking about. A potential purchaser of a common item asked if there was a coupon code. There was none then, nor ever.
The poster bragged that all vaping equipment he/she had purchased was via a discount. The poster entered a long soliloquy about the obligation vendors have to their customers.
By what right?
If its too expensive for you don't buy it! If you feel like the innovation is worth it by all means buy and enjoy the vapes!
I understand and appreciate that you don't have an understanding of EE and electrical theory. I'm not beating you up over that.
If you hold the voltage as a constant (5V for example) and have a fixed resistance (3.1Ω for example) you cannot independently adjust or control the amps. Period. It is impossible.
So I don't know exactly what you are "sensing" with your 5V regulated mod... but it is not what you think it is.
I agree.
Doesn't bother me in the least that ProVap lists the ProVari at $200, or whatever. All I care about is how much do I have to pay for it, and is it worth the money.
When it comes to honesty, I care a lot more about the vendor meeting or working hard to meet timelines they announce, sending out a quality product, standing behind the product if problems arise, not promising things then not delivering... posting a higher list price then what they end up selling it for? Who cares???
Not sure if you've ever purchased a new car, but if you have... I hate to tell you, the dealer will come down from the List Price if you simply ask.
Forget for the moment the Darwin, ProVari, whatever... are you seriously suggesting that people should compare the LIST PRICE to another, comparable items LIST PRICE, instead of what it actually costs to buy?
Don't really agree with that.
Anyway, bottom line is, it's great to have choices... the Darwin looks sweet, and the one thing I AM sure about is, there will be plenty of other hot devices in the vaping world in 2011!
I'll drink to that!
Of course, all I have here at work is my Starbucks, but it'll have to do.
No, because, every four years, on Feb. 29, the REAL list price is charged!
Just kidding...
Hey, personally I don't care what games vendors play with the pricing. It's their business, they risk their money, time and effort to develop and bring these mods to market.
If the product is well built, has features that appeal to me and seems worth the "selling" price, I'll buy it.
Hey, I hate that markets charge $5.95 instead of six bucks, or a company charges $229 instead of $230, but it is their decision, and frankly, they wouldn't do it if it didn't generate more sales!
Just curious... do any of you REALLY think the manufacturer of the Darwin penciled out his expenses, added in his required profit margin, and came upon a sales price of $229 instead of $230???
I doubt it, but it really doesn't bother me.
I only hate it when they take it a step further and make the cost one cent short of a full dollar value. I mean, come on... why the heck would you think I would want to save one whole penny?
The last couple pages have really gotten off track. The fake/retail/suggested/sale/actual/special price thing is irrelevant. Nearly every industry does it, and they do it because it works. It may be slimy, but a $5.99 widget will outsell an identical $6 widget every time. Likewise, a widget that is "on sale" for $100 (regular price $150) will outsell an identical widget that is always $100. There's a lot of complicated (and very interesting) research into why humans behave the way they do. The gist of it is that as much as you might dislike sleazy marketing gimmicks, they do work.
All that really matters in this thread is whether the Darwin works, and whether it's worth the $220 they're charging for it. For me, it isn't. Even if it works exactly as the manufacturer claims (and we have no reason to doubt that), I still cannot justify spending that much. As I said early on in this thread, I am impressed that someone is finally making a variable mod the right way, but I will have to wait until somebody else makes it the right way for cheap.
All that really matters in this thread is whether the Darwin works, and whether it's worth the $220 they're charging for it. For me, it isn't. Even if it works exactly as the manufacturer claims (and we have no reason to doubt that), I still cannot justify spending that much. As I said early on in this thread, I am impressed that someone is finally making a variable mod the right way, but I will have to wait until somebody else makes it the right way for cheap.
I'm not pointing fingers, but some would save it because they're a few cents short of a dollar.
I believe all the talk about marketing has to do with folks that want their cake and eat it too. No one seen (or didn't want to see) from the beginning that this device would bust the $200 bubble.
A recliner is not a LazyBoy and although a LazyBoy is a recliner, it's a LazyBoy
Cisco Pulse should see market is 2011, don't get your hopes up, it isn't going to be cheap. Stop spending money on hype and buy what you really want and need.
A recliner is not a LazyBoy and although a LazyBoy is a recliner, it's a LazyBoy
Cisco Pulse should see market is 2011, don't get your hopes up, it isn't going to be cheap. Stop spending money on hype and buy what you really want and need.
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As ohms law would state you cannot control amperage as this an equation of voltage & resistance that you can control wattage by controlling voltage. So the darwin is just a VV device that varies voltage upon the given wattage setting. Would i be correct on my thinking?
Now on price point for this device I have pre ordered a VV device I got the unit, extended battery cap, charger, 1 large battery and 1 small battery. Now for all that it came out to 210 dollars and that was at preoreder pricing.
At normal pricing that would have been closer to 230 which is or may be darwin's price point so, as far as comparing a provari and a darwin on price they are pretty close together. Though if I had already had the batteries and charger and didn't feel the need for the extesion cap the provari pulls ahead on pricing.
The way i see it is Darwin is still going to be one of the leading mods.
Now on price point for this device I have pre ordered a VV device I got the unit, extended battery cap, charger, 1 large battery and 1 small battery. Now for all that it came out to 210 dollars and that was at preoreder pricing.
At normal pricing that would have been closer to 230 which is or may be darwin's price point so, as far as comparing a provari and a darwin on price they are pretty close together. Though if I had already had the batteries and charger and didn't feel the need for the extesion cap the provari pulls ahead on pricing.
The way i see it is Darwin is still going to be one of the leading mods.
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