Dehydration??

[RosieRags]

I am trying to convince my sister to vape as she has chronic bronchitis like myself. She asked why she should drink water to keep from getting dehydrated and I realized I didn't know the specifics. Can anyone expound on this? Also, I am doing so. My E-Power still hasn't shipped as CCV does not yet have all the parts for their starter kits So I am still using these "Square" disposables which have very little vape or flavor. But I am not giving up and keep lurking and reading as I wait....

 

[Hoosier]

The water in the vapor comes from the person who exhaled it. Or, in other words, the vapor actually grabs and takes the water out of your body.

Drink more water because nearly everyone in the US does not drink enough as they think soft drinks and coffee are the same as water, but are not. And then drink some more because you vape.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

PG and VG "trap" the moisture in our mouth and throat and thus the vapor. So the vapor is not from the juice but from our bodies. I drink 2 large glasses in the a.m. and 2 liters per day.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

PG is used in Fog Machines that you see at concerts and shows. Run the PG over warm elements and release it and you get Vapor.

 

[DietSalem]

What both of these fine fellows said, basically. I try to make sure to have a bottle of water with me whenever I am going to be vaping. I drink three bottles in the hours before I go to bed, and at least two in the morning, then all throughout the day. Replace any sodas you are drinking throughout the day with water, and you'll ALSO feel healthier. A double header: No more smoking, and now more water! =)


Edit to reply to Hoosier:

Yeah! Finally. Takes 15 posts. Which, was hard for me as I am more of a lurker and come in only if I'm an expert on the subject, or at least knowledgeable to the degree that I won't have any chance of being wrong. Haha.

 

[Hoosier]

Hey DS! I see you got the banner you were wanting. Good to see you again.

(End of threadjack)

 

[ClippinWings]

PG is used in Fog Machines that you see at concerts and shows. Run the PG over warm elements and release it and you get Vapor.

...and where does THAT vapor come from?
Considering concert fog machines are not taking it from a human body?

I think that there is some dehydration, but I'm pretty sure this logic I keep seeing is flawed:

1. Before you inhale into your lungs. Open your mouth wide... there is a cloud of dense vapor... far denser than what you later exhale.

2. The longer you hold the draw in your lungs the less vapor you exhale, meaning that the body does not, in fact, produce the vapor... it absorbs it.

PG and VG "trap" the moisture in our mouth and throat and thus the vapor. So the vapor is not from the juice but from our bodies.

I think that the dehydration happens when you exhale, you exhale some moisture. Cumulatively over a day this amounts to enough that it causes dehydration... but your body certainly is not producing the vapor. If it were, every concert fog machine would require that a person be attached to it. Or at the very least a water supply of some kind.

 

[dearme]

Doctors usually recommend 1/2 your body weight in liquid ounces daily to stay hydrated. For example, if you weigh 150 pounds, you would need 75 fluid ounces daily. Coffee, tea, and sodas do not count toward your total, but liquids in the food you eat, soups etc, do count in addition to your water.

Most people do not drink enough fluids, and vaping compounds the problem as the vapor is actually water taken from your body. Drinking lots of water will also make your eliquids taste better.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

I've noticed my soda consumption is way down since I've started vaping. I reach for the water bottle instead. It's not something I've tried to do consciously.

And as someone noted in another thread, I'm snacking a lot less now. I've been replacing candy with a big glass of water and a dessert vape. Again, not like I'm making a big effort to do it. (Admittedly my stomach's been upset for several days from drastically tapering off cigarettes, so I haven't been as hungry.)

 

[RosieRags]

Thank you everybody! I have been reading your posts to her as they come...LOL I completely forgot she hates water though..I myself already drink at least a liter per day as I don't drink anything with caffeine and avoid the caffeine free sodas because all that syrup is addicting for me! I hope the water thing doesn't keep her from vaping as she used one of the disposables I bought her to replace 10 cigarettes last night (it went down to 22 degrees last night and she smokes outside)

 

[madjack]

PG/VG are both humectants, which means they absorb water...the vapor we exhale is 65%water 34%PG/VG 1%flavorings and nic(or so I have read in the health section)...that water has to come from somewhere...the"mist" created by atomizing PG/VG traps water in our breath, which comes from our bodies and carries it out as that big ol' cloud of vapor...it may or may not dehydrate us in a clinical sense but it absorbs water from us and our soft tissues and that needs to be replaced...holding the vape in, will cause the water to be reabsorbed by our bodies which, is why when you hold the vape in, the visible water vaper has been reabsorbed...drinking water is good for you and doing so while you vape keeps the palate cleansed and refreshed adding to the overall enjoyment of the vaping experience...plus, if you are newbie vaporer, it will help with the detox from the funkarettes......
madjack

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

https://dow-answer.custhelp.com/app...e-glycols---hygroscopicity-&-humectant-values

...and where does THAT vapor come from?
Considering concert fog machines are not taking it from a human body?

I think that there is some dehydration, but I'm pretty sure this logic I keep seeing is flawed:

1. Before you inhale into your lungs. Open your mouth wide... there is a cloud of dense vapor... far denser than what you later exhale.

2. The longer you hold the draw in your lungs the less vapor you exhale, meaning that the body does not, in fact, produce the vapor... it absorbs it.



I think that the dehydration happens when you exhale, you exhale some moisture. Cumulatively over a day this amounts to enough that it causes dehydration... but your body certainly is not producing the vapor. If it were, every concert fog machine would require that a person be attached to it. Or at the very least a water supply of some kind.

 

[ClippinWings]

PG/VG are both humectants, which means they absorb water...the vapor we exhale is 65%water 34%PG/VG 1%flavorings and nic(or so I have read in the health section)...that water has to come from somewhere...the"mist" created by atomizing PG/VG traps water in our breath, which comes from our bodies and carries it out as that big ol' cloud of vapor...it may or may not dehydrate us in a clinical sense but it absorbs water from us and our soft tissues and that needs to be replaced...holding the vape in, will cause the water to be reabsorbed by our bodies which, is why when you hold the vape in, the visible water vaper has been reabsorbed...drinking water is good for you and doing so while you vape keeps the palate cleansed and refreshed adding to the overall enjoyment of the vaping experience...plus, if you are newbie vaporer, it will help with the detox from the funkarettes......
madjack

OK, all that makes sense...

but why is there no water supply attached to concert fog machines... where is all THAT vapor coming from?

 

[RosieRags]

*big Hugs* You guys and gals are like walking vaptionary's! Thank you thank you!

 

[ClippinWings]

https://dow-answer.custhelp.com/app...e-glycols---hygroscopicity-&-humectant-values

Nice link... but it didn't answer my question...

How do fog machines produce vapor without people attached?

I even said in my post that PVs clearly dehydrate people...

at the same time, your statement of:

So the vapor is not from the juice but from our bodies.

Is very obviously incorrect.

Much of the vapor is from the PG/VG or fog machines would not function.

 

[bigtiime]

I googled this Fog machines use glycerin or glycol mixed with water. According to a Seattle Times article, "The fog is created using propylene glycol and triethylene glycol, mixed with 20 percent water."

The Institute of Medicine determined that an adequate intake (AI) for men is roughly 3 liters (about 13 cups) of total beverages a day. The AI for women is 2.2 liters (about 9 cups) of total beverages a day.

 

[madjack]

I am not totally certain about the fog machines BUT, I believe the juice in them is not pure PG, I think it is a mix of PG and water and ???(I may be completely wrong)...also, there is water in the atmosphere and that water is attracted to the PG mist from the fog machine, creating fog...I think, maybe, kinda, sorta.............
madjack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_machine

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

2 ways the fog can happen from how my nose surgeon explained
heated pg goes into moist area and attracts moisture and is very wet air. When exhaled it is released into a cooler and dryer atmosphere and vaporizes
Fog machine- heat up PG and vaporize it and when it hits a dryer cooler atmosphere moisture is released.
2 things that affect the vaporizing- temp and humidity or lack of humidity.
Same as a low lying wetland on a hot day- cool night and the moisture rises off the swamp because the hot moist ground/ steam rises and hits the cooler air.

 

[RosieRags]

Wow...a chemistry lesson to boot... A cool note...my boss and co-workers are fine with me vaping at my desk and I am working on another long time smoker to make the switch!

 

[araczynski]

...and where does THAT vapor come from?
Considering concert fog machines are not taking it from a human body?

I think that there is some dehydration, but I'm pretty sure this logic I keep seeing is flawed:

1. Before you inhale into your lungs. Open your mouth wide... there is a cloud of dense vapor... far denser than what you later exhale.

2. The longer you hold the draw in your lungs the less vapor you exhale, meaning that the body does not, in fact, produce the vapor... it absorbs it.

I think that the dehydration happens when you exhale, you exhale some moisture. Cumulatively over a day this amounts to enough that it causes dehydration... but your body certainly is not producing the vapor. If it were, every concert fog machine would require that a person be attached to it. Or at the very least a water supply of some kind.

I'm with you on this. There's no way all that vapor is coming out of your mouth's 'reserves'. if it were you'd be having to take a drink after each vape to keep up.

If you look at the molecular structure of PG and VG you'll notice that they're both nothing more than one Oxygen atom and one Hydrogen atom in different bonding patterns. The heating of the atomizer breaks these bonds, freeing up the HO atoms which are want to pair up with other electrons/protons chains (in the Oxygen surrounding the atomizer) to form something more neutral/stable. water/vapor forms, with super duper flavoring chains and nicotine chains attached in some cases. i think the chemical structure/bonds of the nicotine/flavoring is more complex, so doesn't vaporize as easily. unless you probably burn the juice at too high a voltage and break the flavoring down and get weird burnt tastes?

You draw on the atomizer to both provide an ample supply of oxygen as well as provide/help/force the capillary action of the juice wicking onto the atomizing element, keeping the cycle going.

I'm sure SOME of the extra slobber in our mouths might be pulled into the reaction, but by and large, the stuff is created in the atomizer/cartomizer, not in your mouth.

That's why just looking down on the atomizer and turning it on will allow you to see the vapor getting produced for a short time, but the amount of juice that's on there at any given point in time is small, so it vaporizes and doesn't get replaced quickly enough on its own, and stops until you draw again and force the capillary action to bring more juice onto the element.

maybe its not capillary that i'm thinking about, maybe some other term, but anyway, that's what i think is happening.

i think fog machines just eat up a lot of the oxygen in their chemical breakdown process and that's how they work.