DIY Master Techniques - Flavor Add-on's (EM, VW, BW, MTS, ACV, ect)

[dannyv45]

What types of measuring devices are folks using? I have a 10ml graduated cylinder and a 100ml one, but the 10ml starts at 1 ml and the 100 starts at 10... so I have been trying to use my syringe but even it starts at .5... Where can I get a hyper accurate measuring vessel that is in tenths of a ml? kinda tough to get accurate .3 of a ml without it? Thanks...

I use 1,3,10,30ml syringes and a 50ml cylinder. I find I use the 50ml cylinder more then anything else to measure base and the 1 & 3 ml syringes for flavoring.

 

[rowdyplace]

WalMart or CVS Drugs, etc. have 1mL insulin syringes that allow pretty precise dispensing of .1mL. I had to "rip" the little needle out to accommodate the thick liquids. Just twist and pull with pliers. $2.00/dozen and available on most street corners - right now.
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They also have 3mL devices for about the same price.

 

[dannyv45]

If the level fell 10% in 8 weeks as you suggested, and it continued to drop 10% every 8 weeks, the level after 80 weeks would be over 3ml/mg. Give it some thought, or calculation... After 8 weeks, the nic level would be 9ml...another 8 weeks, 8.1ml...another 8 weeks, 7.29ml. In losing 10% every 8 weeks, it would not go to zero in 80 weeks, rather somewhere in the realm of 3.5ml.

In the actual test data provided by madvapes, the 1 mg drop was for a 35 mg sample, or a drop of about 2.85% in 8 weeks. At the rate indicated by Madvapes data, the nicotine level would be about 26.2 mg/ml after 80 weeks. That's an 80 week decrease of 25%...far from 100% you have suggested.

Given the vagaries of assumed methods of nicotine measurement (this is where perception rather than reason and logic comes into play) I would speculate the measurement could be off by +/- .5ml. At +/- .5ml and the degradation of nicotine continuing at these rates, the 80 week level might be in the range of 30.3 ml/mg to 22.6 mg/ml or a total decrease of 13 to 35%.

It continues to seem to me that no reasoned extrapolation of 'the vendor's data' leads to a conclusion of 'zero nicotine at 80 weeks.'

When you look at it that way it seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

[cecsystems]

1-3-5cc syringes

OK; the syringes I have are 5ml so I should pick up some 1 ml. Are those in tenths?

 

[rowdyplace]

Insulin syringes - $2.00 dozen at local WalMart or drug stores.
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The 1mL are in tenths. I had to pull the needle out with pliers to use the thick liquids.


<< Ooops...Excuse the double post - I was napping!>>

 

[dannyv45]

OK; the syringes I have are 5ml so I should pick up some 1 ml. Are those in tenths?

yes in .1 graduations can measure to .05 fairly accurately

 

[LoveVanilla]

Where can I get a hyper accurate measuring vessel that is in tenths of a ml? kinda tough to get accurate .3 of a ml without it? Thanks...

The 1ml syringes have gradients of 0.1ml -- should be reasonably accurate for 0.3mls.

 

[Pathogenius]

Those pesky little bubbles make things interesting though!

 

[Road_House]

Those pesky little bubbles make things interesting though!

Pull some air into the syringe before drawing the liquid. Instead of measuring by the edge of the plunger and dealing with bubbles you simple draw the liquid to the line you want.

 

[ratchet62]

Pull some air into the syringe before drawing the liquid. Instead of measuring by the edge of the plunger and dealing with bubbles you simple draw the liquid to the line you want.

If you do this, use the BOTTOM of the "meniscus" as the reference. Draw the liquid until the bottom of the dip lines up with the volume you need.

 

[Hoosier]

Also, if you know how to get the air bubbles out...(Squirt the stuff back into the bottle and redraw it up.)...you use the bottom of the plunger for the measurement, not the edge.

 

[Pathogenius]

Great tips, my precision just increased significantly, and I even came up with another thing in the process. If I preload the syringe with some of the thinning water, I can then start the flavour draw exactly on the 0.1 ml mark, and just do a little math to compensate.

 

[buffaloguy]

Hmm. k. Cant say Ive ever had that happen. I once had a batch of nic that oxidized on me and noticed a musty taste to it. Wizard replaced it for me. Ive never had a batch of nic oxidize like that on me again. I wouldnt mix with nic that had oxidized after that experience.

In my experience along with color change you get taste change generally resulting in a harsher vape. I've tested this darker NIC and Nic that has oxidized over time and I haven't seen the actual NIC content (MG) change significantly.

 

[buffaloguy]

btw, this does make sense. Keep in mind tho my lil explanation of it was completely from memory, so best to look at the actual data from their test as you have. I dont think its difinitive by any means but it fit into what info was asked for.

If the level fell 10% in 8 weeks as you suggested, and it continued to drop 10% every 8 weeks, the level after 80 weeks would be over 3ml/mg. Give it some thought, or calculation... After 8 weeks, the nic level would be 9ml...another 8 weeks, 8.1ml...another 8 weeks, 7.29ml. In losing 10% every 8 weeks, it would not go to zero in 80 weeks, rather somewhere in the realm of 3.5ml.

In the actual test data provided by Madvapes, the 1 mg drop was for a 35 mg sample, or a drop of about 2.85% in 8 weeks. At the rate indicated by Madvapes data, the nicotine level would be about 26.2 mg/ml after 80 weeks. That's an 80 week decrease of 25%...far from 100% you have suggested.

Given the vagaries of assumed methods of nicotine measurement (this is where perception rather than reason and logic comes into play) I would speculate the measurement could be off by +/- .5ml. At +/- .5ml and the degradation of nicotine continuing at these rates, the 80 week level might be in the range of 30.3 ml/mg to 22.6 mg/ml or a total decrease of 13 to 35%.

It continues to seem to me that no reasoned extrapolation of 'the vendor's data' leads to a conclusion of 'zero nicotine at 80 weeks.'

 

[dannyv45]

Pull some air into the syringe before drawing the liquid. Instead of measuring by the edge of the plunger and dealing with bubbles you simple draw the liquid to the line you want.

Great answer. This is exactly what I do.

 

[VegasDealer]

What types of measuring devices are folks using? I have a 10ml graduated cylinder and a 100ml one, but the 10ml starts at 1 ml and the 100 starts at 10... so I have been trying to use my syringe but even it starts at .5... Where can I get a hyper accurate measuring vessel that is in tenths of a ml? kinda tough to get accurate .3 of a ml without it? Thanks...

I use "oral syringes" in 1ml, 5ml, 15ml and 30ml sizes. The 1ml syringe measures in .1ml increments. The benefit of using oral syringes is that you do not have to use a small needle to draw through nor do you have to break off any needles and dispose of them. The tips are blunt and even and easily draw up pure VG. Also I get all of my oral syringes for FREE from a local pharmacy which I have used for years (just have to ask the pharmacist if they "sell" oral syringes and when they reply that they don't, ask them if it is possible to get a few that they give to customers when dispensing medications and offer to pay for them). You can also find oral syringes for sale online or at medical supply stores.

 

[cecsystems]

I use "oral syringes" in 1ml, 5ml, 15ml and 30ml sizes. The 1ml syringe measures in .1ml increments. The benefit of using oral syringes is that you do not have to use a small needle to draw through nor do you have to break off any needles and dispose of them. The tips are blunt and even and easily draw up pure VG. Also I get all of my oral syringes for FREE from a local pharmacy which I have used for years (just have to ask the pharmacist if they "sell" oral syringes and when they reply that they don't, ask them if it is possible to get a few that they give to customers when dispensing medications and offer to pay for them). You can also find oral syringes for sale online or at medical supply stores.

Oral syringes... Now why didn't I think of that So very outstanding!!! and I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only one who thinks so...

 

[rowdyplace]

I reacted the same way. Boy, what A good idea!

I just ordered 5 each of the 1mL, 3mL, and 10mL from ebay.

dolphin7131981 | eBay

The obvious is the hardest to see...

Thanks VegasDealer!!

 

[Blueser]

I just went to the pharmacy at WalMart...got a 12 pack of 1ml syringes for 2 bucks and the lady gave me about a dozen 5ml syringes...pretty sweet deal

 

[rowdyplace]

I just went to the pharmacy at WalMart...got a 12 pack of 1ml syringes for 2 bucks and the lady gave me about a dozen 5ml syringes...pretty sweet deal

Were these the oral or insulin syringes you got from WalMart?