Link to these published and verified reports please? I've never heard such a thing.
Do we really save money?
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Link to these published and verified reports please? I've never heard such a thing.
You definitely can save large amounts of money, say 90%+ of what you were spending smoking. But that's assuming you make no mistakes purchasing low quality gear that breaks, dies, sucks for whatever reason, and you will make such mistakes. Even following the best advice of others you will misspend some on items you won't use much. But a big way to save money is to DIY your own juice early. The bulk of your recurring costs will be there over time.
Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, true. But when heart disease and irregular heart rhythms get mentioned, they're talking about smoking in general and the doctors never really did/do a good job of differentiating between the risks of smoking and the risks of nicotine. The cig is wrapped in paper. You wouldn't say it was the paper though. And it took what? Two and half years to get that list of 300+ chemicals out of the tobacco industry of all the formaldehyde and crap they put in there too? But no... it has to be the nicotine... :/
That's a pretty accurate assesment. I'll be Vaping 4 years in Aug. I was at almost 3 packs a day. My savings has bought me a work car (97 malibu) and a weekend toy (93 Miata),plus other things I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise. Besides the obvious health benefits, Financial stress is way less then what it was.
I know that I'm definitely NOT saving any money!!! I'm sitting on "a lifetime supply" of REAL (leaf, unprocessed) tobacco; and, since 1999, all /i've had to buy was a box of rolling papers every couple of months; and, a big batch of ground clove once a year off of ebay. I never had any intention of switching to vaping. I bought my 1st e-cig (about 6 weeks ago) just so I could get my nicotine fix while stuck in places like WalMart and McDonald's. The "fake cigarettes" were a hassle; and, after the 4th time I came within an 1/8th of an inch of reflexively lighting one, I broke down and bought a 650mA/CE4 starter kit, rationalizing that it would "save me money in the long run." All was well until my hands were giving me trouble for a few days, making rolling painful. Instead of just rolling despite the pain, as I normally would have (being the nicotine junky that I am), I got lazy and vaped instead during the 4 or 5 days it took for my hands to quit hurting. When I went back to rolling, my taste-buds had betrayed me; and, my usual smokes tasted ABSOLUTELY AWFUL!!! Now, I've had to invest in 3 more batteries (an 1100mA and 2, 1350mA), to make sure that I always have at least 2 fully usable batteries; plenty of e-juice (since I live 20+ miles from the nearest vapor supply store); and, an assortment of tanks, trying to find ones that won't crack like egg shells with my 1/2 clove and 1/2 orange/pineapple concoction... (Not to mention spare parts, cleaner, etc.; since, I've been an absolute nicotine junky since I first started smoking, back in 1970, I live in dread of "getting caught without...")
Neither had I until I read Altaire's post. A quick Google search found this:
Nicotine Promotes Cardiovascular Disease, Benefits of Smoke-Free Products Questioned : Consumer News : Medical Daily
Really don't quite know what to make of it just yet and will need to look into it in much more detail, but I'm really surprised I haven't heard of this report before - article is dated 23 February 2012.
JJ
This is just an article, not a medical "peer review." These articles have been posted throughout the web and as far as I'm concerned hold no water in what they say. From what the article says no one should be using FDA approved patches, and nicotine gums either. Do you really think there has been any real science involved?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc
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As a few poster have mentioned, the cig look a likes are sufficient for some, including myself, and I am spending about half on Vapourlites that I did on analogue ciagrettes. Its not about saving money really, but it is definitely a benefit. I cant believe i dont want a real cig after smoking for 38 years 
Its a win win all round really. My pharmacist, where i buy my refills, cant wait for the NHS to include them in their NRT list to cut down on the deaths, but she is sceptical about whether the UK government is ready cut down on the tax income they receive from real cigs.
Its a win win all round really. My pharmacist, where i buy my refills, cant wait for the NHS to include them in their NRT list to cut down on the deaths, but she is sceptical about whether the UK government is ready cut down on the tax income they receive from real cigs.
I've not saved any money yet. I started to DIY most of my juices, but there are some that I cannot reproduce. The biggest thing for me is to find a good setup. I spent way too much on V2 stuff in the beginning, then more on other batteries and trying to figure out if I like cartos/tanks or dual carto tanks the best. Once that is all finally figured out, then I will stop buying mods and hopefully start saving some money.
To me, being off combustibles is the most important. Saving money will come eventually.
To me, being off combustibles is the most important. Saving money will come eventually.
google or wikipedia it? Im not trying to convince anybody of anything, if you dont want to believe nicotine is a drug that has harmful effects, dont. I HAVE arrythmia and its severity has been directly tied to my smoking habits. I dont really care Im gonna vape for a while regardless til i feel like quitting, I was just correcting that woman so she doesnt think nicotine is a healthy thing to be ingesting...but you can look into it if you want
That's my plan too. No combustibles. I'm not going away from the four Joyetech eGo C atomizers I keep in rotation until all eight of these 650mah batteries I bought are too tired to use. I think I have enough of the replacement atomizer inserts and Type A and Type B mouthpiece/tanks to last that long. Tried the clearos, yuck. I'll stick with the stock tanks. So, yeah, even buying the expensive juice, I'm paying quite a bit less to vape. I was spending nearly $300 a month on cigarettes. Insane.
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I like to think that I do... but every time I end up splurging on the new mod... It might not end up saving me in the end. I do believe if I just stuck with what I had, i'd be fine.
All you need is a carto tank a steady supply of cartomizers and an ego twist/vision spinner. Get some liquids. You should be saving a lot compared to $6-$7 a day cigs.
If you're buying small prefilled cartos and those little proprietary kit batteries then you are wasting money.
If you're buying small prefilled cartos and those little proprietary kit batteries then you are wasting money.
There are threads in here where people use tobacco leaves to extract the flavoring for thei Ejuice. Maybe you should check into it so you can use the stuff you already purchased.
I haven't even come close to saving any money in the month since I started. In fact, I have probably spent 4 times as much as I would have on analogs, but you know what, in the long run it will pay off. I jumped into this not knowing a thing before I found this awesome website so I foolishly spent money on random "junk". Now, after researching and reading, I have a better understanding and bought better equipment. I also got my wife vaping so she isn't buying analogs anymore as well. Right now I do not mind spending more than analogs because my clothes don't stink, my car doesn't stink, my house doesn't stink and I don't feel like hell when I wake up in the morning. From here on out we will start saving money because the only thing that will be "needed" is new juice which we plan to buy 120ml or 236ml once we figure out our favorite flavors.
I've had a lot of problems with high blood pressure so I have worked on lowering my nic intake. I do agree that if you have problems such as high blood pressure, you should consider cutting back on the nic. But the good thing about Ecigs is that you have the Ability to do just that, whereas with cigs you can't. I'm down to 8 mg nic and still content. I'm not sure if I will go down to 6 or just stick at 8. But I figure at least it's better than smoking and the doctors agree wholeheartedly.
Like so many of those articles, this isn't just an article - it's dressed up as something else. In this case, a summary of the findings of a body of research carried out by a team from Brown University. Their results were supposed to be presented at the 56th Annual Meeting of the Biophysical Society.
For whatever reason, I don't think that the results of this research were ever presented at a meeting of the Biophysical Society or anywhere else. In fact, I haven't been able to find any published research that corroborates their findings. What I did find was as follows:
1. Nicotine and coronary heart disease
An excerpt from an article published in a medical journal which speculates that nicotine (in any form) may have negative effect on cardiovascular health in people who already suffer from coronary heart disease:
2. Serum cotinine levels in pipe smokers: Evidence against nicotine as a cause of coronary heart disease
An original research article based on the a study of levels of cotinine in non-smokers, cigarette smokers, cigar smokers, and pipe smokers, which suggests that nicotine itself is not a major cause of coronary heart diesease.
After some wider reading, it is my firm belief that there is no conclusive proof that nicotine in itself has an adverse effect on health. Of course, as is the case with all stimulants, prolonged or excessive use/exposure cannot be particularly good for the body and the only safe way of doing anything at all is not to do it!
My problem with what you originally said (Post #141) is that, for the average person, it has absolutely no basis in fact. If your arrhythmia was a pre-existing condition, then of course nicotine use will have an adverse effect. But, for people who are otherwise healthy, there is no evidence that nicotine causes coronary heart disease.
Making a statement like that, regardless of your own experiences/beliefs, is completely irresponsible.
I wish you all the best and I hope that your condition improves now that you are off the stinkies.
JJ
I have been vaping for 6 weeks after smoking 40 a day for 30 years. With all the toys that I have bought I will need to buy nothing but juice for the next 6 months ot be saving money.
Fun is what I am having with the advantage that I have finally stopped smoking after trying for 30 years. No going back now my investment is to high.
Fun is what I am having with the advantage that I have finally stopped smoking after trying for 30 years. No going back now my investment is to high.
Right now I am not saving any money as I am trying to figure out what works for me. But, hopefully it all comes together and the savings will start. Lots to learn here.
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