Do you vape more than when you smoked?

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I cant see that being a thing standing in the way of running reasonable and accurate tests. If they can measure air quality in a kitchen, exhaust emissions, cigarette smoke and list with accuracy, then the technology is there already to measure what vapers are inhaling. No need to to spend half a century procrastinating, we have the technology. Wouldnt take more than a week or two to produce the data at any modern lab, depending on their work load. I cant imagine it even being an expensive or difficult exercise in 2019.
I believe it's more complicated than you think to come up with general answers.

Are the results from a juul or other device that runs at a single-digit wattage going to be comparable to the results from an rda run at a triple-digit wattage? Will there be actual vapers present to sample the setups to ensure that they're being run in a realistic manner and not overheated and dry puffed? What PG/VG ratio will be used? What flavorings will be used in the liquids and at what percentage?

We know from experience that such studies can show very bad results (formaldehyde, etc.) if the devices are pushed too hard, in a manner that real vapers simply don't. We know that some flavoring ingredients have the potential to be problematical, and I don't just mean diketones.

The variety of gear, liquid compositions, and today even nic (salt) formulas, make this a far bigger task than it appears at first glance.
 

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I always thought Web MD was sponsored by cancer. No matter what set of symptoms you put in there it always says "cancer."

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Thats funny! I got pretty sick about 5-7yrs ago, stayed sick and got worse.
I spent a lot of time on teh webz typing in symptoms etc.
WebMD and its ilk always came up with one cancer or another.
I was pretty much settled on chronic Leukemia. I was at the point of "cool, no worries, chronic Leukemia it is. Lets go to war and smash that ****"
The Dr's and specialists didnt have a clue. One of them said "Man!! this is a tough one! if you gave up smoking it would give us a chance to peak behind the curtain and see whats going on".
Seemed like a novel approach so I gave it a crack. Liver was sick, smoking directly to blame. Cleared up easily, simply by not smoking.
I was prepared to die and quite at peace with the whole concept of life being over. I felt cheated when I realised I didnt need to dig in and go into combat against death. I just kinda sat for a while feeling a bit deflated and then went out and got pizza. So, yeah, there ya go.

Back on topic, yep! I do vape more than I smoked.
 

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I believe it's more complicated than you think to come up with general answers.

Are the results from a Juul or other device that runs at a single-digit wattage going to be comparable to the results from an RDA run at a triple-digit wattage? Will there be actual vapers present to sample the setups to ensure that they're being run in a realistic manner and not overheated and dry puffed? What PG/VG ratio will be used? What flavorings will be used in the liquids and at what percentage?

We know from experience that such studies can show very bad results (formaldehyde, etc.) if the devices are pushed too hard, in a manner that real vapers simply don't. We know that some flavoring ingredients have the potential to be problematical, and I don't just mean diketones.

The variety of gear, liquid compositions, and today even nic (salt) formulas, make this a far bigger task than it appears at first glance.
I vape D2L at 11-14w at 180-190c on a .65-.75ohm 28ga ss coil. My juice is 2mg-3.5mg nic in a vg base and the rest is vg and 10% water. No flavour
Do you think Im not aware there are variables. :D
Kitchens, cigarettes, road sides even exhaust emissions etc all have variables and at best can ever only be an average.
I understand what you are saying. I wouldve read the same studies. I do have some understanding of lab procedures and testing. I worked on site collecting samples, blood, urine, saliva, and stuff. I didnt like it much. Everyone was uptight.
The last people I want doing the testing would be a gov agency.
 

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WebMD is owned by an investment company. Not a great place to research health or science.

It's the plain language web site for consumers of medical info. Most large medical info providers are probably supported by investors who tweak the output. I'm not even sure that the U.S. Surgeon General isn't swayed by Big Pharma and the reining President of the U.S.. I usually read several sources before making a serious decision.

We get what we vote for and elect. The internet is notorious for biased information. The pop-up ads prove it. I can search for the best prices on 18650 cells and shortly afterwards I'm getting 18650 sale prices in my sidebar ads. :)
 
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It's the plain language web site for consumers of medical info. Most large medical info providers are probably supported by investors who tweak the output. I'm not even sure that the U.S. Surgeon General isn't swayed by Big Pharma and the reining President of the U.S.. I usually read several sources before making a serious decision.

We get what we vote for and elect. The internet is notorious for biased information. The pop-up ads prove it. I can search for the best prices on 18650 cells and shortly afterwards I'm getting 18650 sale prices in my sidebar ads. :)
Moti, fishing gear, 4wd gear, guitar gear and good looking matures near me is what I get.

Back on topic, just asked the neighbour if she vapes more than she smoked. Yes. Yes she does.
 

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Not really possible for me to vape more than I smoked. I was pretty much a constant smoker. Now I am a constant vaper.

I had to go outside at work to smoke. The restriction isn't so restrictive with vaping, especially once you reach the point where you can retire. :thumb:

I vape too often, especially if I'm vaping 3mg nic. I need to move back to 12mg and see if that helps me put it down and walk away for a while until the next vape.
 
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I'm a dual user. I start out the day vaping. A couple of puffs from a pod. Then I have a couple of cigarettes on the way to work. Partly from old habits, and partly because I just like a couple of cigarettes.

Once at work I vape most of the time. But where it used to be go outside, light up and smoke until it is gone I take a couple of puffs and that does the trick. So I vape less drags per session probably because the vape device supplys what I want in a way that turns itself off. I suppose if it were such that your device stayed on until it ran out I'd keep vaping.

I slowly ween off cigarettes a little more over time. I don't know that I'll ever detest a cigarette anymore than I destest an Oreo cookie at bedtime. But over time I stopped having Oreo cookies before bed. Once an open pack of cookies was an empty pack of cookies. In time the cookies would get stale half way through. Now I walk past the cookies at the grocery store because I have a fresh container of walnuts in the cart. A container of walnuts that will likely go stale before empty. I replaced cookies with walnuts over time. But now I suppliment an occasional urge for cookies with walnuts but over time have even reduced that habit to occasionally. I am doing same with vaping.
So when I choose vaping over smoking I vape less drags than if it were a cigarette. It took some trial and error to find that it was walnuts that was a viable alternative to cookies and it also took a while to find the vape tool that replaces my cigarette habit. At one point at this time today I would be half way through a new pack of cigarettes. Today I'm finishing a pack opened on Thursday evening. And I've only eaten walnuts twice this week at bedtime.

When I started vaping it was part of a lifestyle change. Chocolate, caffiene, skipping meals, prepared foods when I did eat, sedentary evenings, not enough liquids all day, and smoking too much. A whole host of changes needed to occur at the same time. So instead of joining Jenny Craig, some gymnasium, and vaping a gallon a month I chose to slowly get used to a better set of habits. Portion reduction has also played a role. Eat less, fast less, nap less, smoke less, and fill those gaps with more positive habits that over time build their own momentum. More energy, and more stamina have led to a more positive outlook that lends itself to wanting more of that and less of the old ways.

I do not see myself as a person who quit smoking. Instead I see it as a person who used to smoke.
 

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I'm a dual user. I start out the day vaping. A couple of puffs from a pod. Then I have a couple of cigarettes on the way to work. Partly from old habits, and partly because I just like a couple of cigarettes.

Once at work I vape most of the time. But where it used to be go outside, light up and smoke until it is gone I take a couple of puffs and that does the trick. So I vape less drags per session probably because the vape device supplys what I want in a way that turns itself off. I suppose if it were such that your device stayed on until it ran out I'd keep vaping.

I slowly ween off cigarettes a little more over time. I don't know that I'll ever detest a cigarette anymore than I destest an Oreo cookie at bedtime. But over time I stopped having Oreo cookies before bed. Once an open pack of cookies was an empty pack of cookies. In time the cookies would get stale half way through. Now I walk past the cookies at the grocery store because I have a fresh container of walnuts in the cart. A container of walnuts that will likely go stale before empty. I replaced cookies with walnuts over time. But now I suppliment an occasional urge for cookies with walnuts but over time have even reduced that habit to occasionally. I am doing same with vaping.
So when I choose vaping over smoking I vape less drags than if it were a cigarette. It took some trial and error to find that it was walnuts that was a viable alternative to cookies and it also took a while to find the vape tool that replaces my cigarette habit. At one point at this time today I would be half way through a new pack of cigarettes. Today I'm finishing a pack opened on Thursday evening. And I've only eaten walnuts twice this week at bedtime.

When I started vaping it was part of a lifestyle change. Chocolate, caffiene, skipping meals, prepared foods when I did eat, sedentary evenings, not enough liquids all day, and smoking too much. A whole host of changes needed to occur at the same time. So instead of joining Jenny Craig, some gymnasium, and vaping a gallon a month I chose to slowly get used to a better set of habits. Portion reduction has also played a role. Eat less, fast less, nap less, smoke less, and fill those gaps with more positive habits that over time build their own momentum. More energy, and more stamina have led to a more positive outlook that lends itself to wanting more of that and less of the old ways.

I do not see myself as a person who quit smoking. Instead I see it as a person who used to smoke.

I really like your approach. Seasons change this way, Time too. No reason why we shouldn't also.
 
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I really like your approach. Seasons change this way, Time too. No reason why we shouldn't also.

Last evening while relaxing after supper with Mrs States, she puffed on a few cigarettes but cigarettes caused me to feel athsmatic so I vaped a drag here and a drag there from my vape stick instead of smoking. Instead of inhaling some ten or so drags with each one and coughing my head off, I inhaled about 3 to 5 drags from a vape each hour. Lightweight drags of a 6 strength juice.

Each day it gets a little easier to choose vaping over smoking like choosing stir fry chicken and brocolli over McDonalds type food due to feeling good instead of lousy after.

With vaping I choose to feed the cravings, but with a lesser amount of the chemical I'm craving. My long term goal is to be free of the nicotine from any form of ingestion
 

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Less, I only smoked for the Nicotine and since I've upped my Nicotine percentage in the DIY I mix up I need to use less. On a side note I also believe that the Cigarette companies altered the Nicotine content from time to time to sell more because some days you just couldn't get enough and some days you were happy way sooner.
 

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Last evening while relaxing after supper with Mrs States, she puffed on a few cigarettes but cigarettes caused me to feel athsmatic so I vaped a drag here and a drag there from my vape stick instead of smoking. Instead of inhaling some ten or so drags with each one and coughing my head off, I inhaled about 3 to 5 drags from a vape each hour. Lightweight drags of a 6 strength juice.

Each day it gets a little easier to choose vaping over smoking like choosing stir fry chicken and brocolli over McDonalds type food due to feeling good instead of lousy after.

With vaping I choose to feed the cravings, but with a lesser amount of the chemical I'm craving. My long term goal is to be free of the nicotine from any form of ingestion

I enjoy nicotine.

It helps keep me with focused and my depression/anxiety are lessened. Addiction is the downside. If I wasn't vaping, I would be smoking, so I don't see myself quitting nic. I tried that for a few years, and it wasn't fun. If you don't need it eventually, then I think that is a good thing.

Good luck
 

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It's been 9 1/2 years since I started vaping. I quit the cigarettes completely about 4 months after I started to vape. By that time, I had dropped my smoking from 2 PAD down to about 5 or 6 cigs a day. When I finally smoked my last pack I had absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. All I needed was my 24mg juice in an eGo tank. I've been at 3mg for several years and now that's enough nic to satisfy.
 

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I was a heavy smoker but somehow became a real heavy vapor. I think it has to do with the fact that I vape in places I never smoked (ex- my house, my car). Oh well. Its still better than smoking and a whole lot cheaper.

I vape less, I believe. it's kind of difficult to compare really since measurements are different, but I was a 2 PAD smoker and now when I'm vaping "full time" with nicotine (3mg) I generally use around 2ml or so per day these days, and when vaping part time with no nicotine usage is under 1ml per week...

I would assume that is less often than 40 cigarettes per day.. but I quit smoking nearly 5-1/2 years ago.
 

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Once I started vaping my cigarette consumption went from 40 a day down to 4 or 5 the first couple of weeks. After that, I continued to smoke a few. A few months later I stopped buying cigarettes and there was no craving. I was glad to be rid of them as long as I had my vape. It was like magic. I thought I'd die with a pack in my pocket.

Vaping is the cure.
 

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About the same for me. I hit about 150-200 mtl hits a day. At about 10 hits per smoke, that'd be around 15-20 cigarettes, which is just about right.

And unlike most here, if I overdo it, I pay for it, just like cigarettes. Even though it's only 2-3 ml/day, if I go significantly over 200 hits, it bothers my throat, and I get congestion. Not a lot, like a productive cough- but enough that it makes me need to clear my throat all day the next day.
 

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I don't smoke anymore because I Vape. I made a complete transition. I suspect that's not what you're asking. I smoked two packs a day. I vape differently then I smoked and my nicotine content is way less! I crunched the numbers one time and I was getting more nicotine by 10 a.m. then I do in a whole day now when I was smoking. I probably take a puff of my vape more often than I would have cigarettes but I do it less if that makes any sense. Like when I was smoking I would smoke a whole cigarette or two sometimes three and then I might not come back to them for 20 30 minutes with my vape I'll take a puff maybe two and absent-mindedly continue every 10 or 15 minutes. That being said I cannot wait for much longer than a cigarette. For example I went out to eat with my family yesterday usually when I was smoking before the order would arrive I would go out and have a cigarette and then sometime in the middle of eating I would just smoke and then I would be rushing out of the door to smoke again before the bill was paid. I leave my e-cigarette in the car when I go out to eat because I just don't need it I suspect it's because of the much lower nicotine. That's just for me I don't know how it works out for everyone else
 
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