E-cig deaths?

[Domtine]

[*removed] there's already irish cream and brandy flavoured juices liao.....

 

[TheBoom]

yeah, i have the irish cream too but [*edited] flavoured juices and the real drink itself is way different lol.

 

[okleemat]

Had wanted to insert a nonchalant whistling face, but don't have.

Sooo.... see what's the name of that smily and you'll understand.

BTW... 'Senior Vaporist' si boh..... I like.

And your list also getting more n more atas huh??

Sorry...question....so our inhouse 'Senior Vaporist' has a Bachelor in Vaporism... Wewew...I like the nick....it's nice

 

[Horselady154]

Seriously, I am not surprise if there is such death related to E-cigg. Only the number and cause is a concern. Afterall, there are cancer causing agent( about 8) in e-cigg that cannot be denied.
Depending on which side of the fence you are standing. It is not wise for non-smoker to pick up vaping, just my thought.

And what would those be?

 

[Talyon]

Still waiting for proof to be presented here of ecig related deaths?????

Or is this just another one of those troll questions, sheesh.......

 

[Katasinz]

Still waiting for proof to be presented here of ecig related deaths?????

Or is this just another one of those troll questions, sheesh.......

yeah im really keen to find out if there really have been any deaths caused by e-cigs

 

[USinchains]

"Wow, dad. 3 versus 5 million a year. You lose."

This is all complete BS, anyway.

 

[sgcitizen001]

Why don't u try and write a review


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Haha... Lets localise this [*removed]

 

[Syn007]

Alright, all these talks about vaping any other stuff besides eliquid have to be stopped.

There are no proven ecig related deaths. Period.

 

[zapped]

From where Im sitting this thread and the first couple of replies are starting to look like something that was planted here for the benefit of ANTZ. Either that or were dealing with some seriously ill-informed individuals.

8 carcinogens in e-liquid? Pray tell us the rest of what they are, especially since there have been exhausting studies done in light of the FDA's bogus report 4 years ago that have found NOTHING besides nicotine, pg, vg and flavoring inside our vapor.

95 percent of the flavoring in e-liquid are alcohol based...no oils in them as they wont even mix properly in a suspension.

You guys need to use Google translate and read CASAA's site.

 

[kristin]

Double post sorry

 

[kristin]

Hi, I'm the vice president of CASAA. We follow all news stories and research. I can tell you that there has not been one death conclusively caused by e-cigarette use!

The "cancer-causing agents" and other chemicals found so far have been so low that they are considered harmless. Just finding those things in the liquid does not make them deadly. There has to be enough of it to make it dangerous - just like medicine is safe unless you take too much. And it takes 30, 40, 50 or more years of exposure to high levels of "cancer-causing agents" and chemicals found in cigarette smoke before people get smoking-related diseases. Not enough time has passed for e-cig users to get diseases from them, but it would be impossible to tell because they were once smoking, too. So, to prove e-cigs caused a disease or death, it would have to be someone who never smoked before using the e-cig and had no other risks or a great number of never-smoking e-cig users would have to start dying young.

It takes decades of exposure to high levels of carcinogens and inhaling numerous chemicals for smoking to kill people 60, 70, 80 years old. It is illogical that e-cigarettes, with no toxic chemicals and 0.007% of the "cancer-causing agents" found in cigarette smoke could be causing any deaths already today. Any deaths would most likely be from smoking before starting to use the e-cigarettes. That doctor tried to blame just 6 months of e-cigarette use for causing illness in his patient who was already sick from decades of smoking. It was silly. I'm sure e-cigarette users die every day, but the e-cig isn't to blame. Reason and logic says it was the decades of smoking, other exposures, poor diet, or genetics.

Hope that helps!

 

[errolng]

Hi, I'm the vice president of CASAA. We follow all news stories and research. I can tell you that there has not been one death conclusively caused by e-cigarette use!

The "cancer-causing agents" and other chemicals found so far have been so low that they are considered harmless. Just finding those things in the liquid does not make them deadly. There has to be enough of it to make it dangerous - just like medicine is safe unless you take too much. And it takes 30, 40, 50 or more years of exposure to high levels of "cancer-causing agents" and chemicals found in cigarette smoke before people get smoking-related diseases. Not enough time has passed for e-cig users to get diseases from them, but it would be impossible to tell because they were once smoking, too. So, to prove e-cigs caused a disease or death, it would have to be someone who never smoked before using the e-cig and had no other risks or a great number of never-smoking e-cig users would have to start dying young.

It takes decades of exposure to high levels of carcinogens and inhaling numerous chemicals for smoking to kill people 60, 70, 80 years old. It is illogical that e-cigarettes, with no toxic chemicals and 0.007% of the "cancer-causing agents" found in cigarette smoke could be causing any deaths already today. Any deaths would most likely be from smoking before starting to use the e-cigarettes. That doctor tried to blame just 6 months of e-cigarette use for causing illness in his patient who was already sick from decades of smoking. It was silly. I'm sure e-cigarette users die every day, but the e-cig isn't to blame. Reason and logic says it was the decades of smoking, other exposures, poor diet, or genetics.

Hope that helps!

Haha I was about to post something like this, just a lot more dumbed down than his post.
I guess not enough time has passed (10 years or less?) for there to be any proven harmful effects of it.
Pretty sure the WHO has yet to do any intensive study on this.
Really hope they do one soon.
Wish they would just tax the damn thing and bring it in here.
Don't mind paying the extra as this seems to work a lot better than nicotine gum and patches.
Feel like its the action of smoking in combination with the nicotine which is helping me so far.
However, I've only started vaping for about 9 days so can't say this will help me long-term but hoping it does.
Smoked less than 20 sticks and was clean for about 3-4 days before I bummed one of a friend yesterday.
Haven't had time to club during this period so that will probably be a real test for me.
Guess will find out this coming weekend.

Anyway... don't spend too much time googling about such stuff as not much reliable info has been released yet.

 

[mavieboy]

Anyway... don't spend too much time googling about such stuff as not much reliable info has been released yet.

facepalm....

A Timeline

2003: The electronic cigarette is first developed in Beijing, China by Hon Lik, a 52 year old pharmacist, inventor and smoker. He invents the device after his father, also a heavy smoker, dies of lung cancer. The company Lik worked for, Golden Dragon Holdings, developed the device and changed their name to Ruyan, which means "like smoke."

April 2006: Electronic cigarettes introduced to Europe

2006-2007: Electronic cigarettes introduced to the U.S.

September 2008: The World Health Organization proclaims that it does not consider the electronic cigarette to be a legitimate smoking cessation aid, and demand that marketers immediately remove from their materials any suggestions that the WHO considers electronic cigarettes safe and effective

October 2008: In a study funded by Ruyan, Health New Zealand conducts a detailed quantitative analysis and concludes that carcinogens and toxicants are present only below harmful levels. Overall, the product tested was deemed a "safe alternative to smoking."
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf

January 2009: Australia bans the possession and sale of electronic cigarettes which contain nicotine, citing that "every form of nicotine except for replacement therapies and cigarettes are classified as a form of poison."

March 2009: FDA adds electronic cigarettes to Import Alert 66-41 and directed the USCBP to reject the entry of electronic cigarettes into the United States.

March 2009: Canada bans the sale, advertising and import of electronic cigarettes and Health Canada advises Canadians not to purchase or use them, claiming they contain a "known irritant" (Propylene Glycol)

March 2009: FDA notifies Smoking Everywhere that their shipments have been refused entry into the U.S. The FDA purports that electronic cigarettes "appears to be a combination drug-device product that requires preapproval, registration and listing with the FDA.

May 2009: Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) files a petition to the FDA, calling for FDA regulation of electronic cigarettes
ecigpetition

April 2009: Smoking Everywhere files a federal complaint seeking an injunction against the FDA with respect to the FDA's attempts to ban the import of Electronic Cigarettes. Smoking Everywhere contends that the FDA has no authority over electronic cigarettes, as they are a "tobacco product" and the FDA's attempt to regulate them infringes on Congress's intent to withhold FDA jurisdiction over tobacco products. They contend that electronic cigarettes are not "drugs," "drug delivery systems," or "drug device combinations" under 21 U.S.C 321(g).
Smoking Everywhere Verified Complaint

May 2009: Njoy joins Smoking Everywhere lawsuit against FDA

May 2009: The Electronic Cigarette Association is formed. The ECA is a trade association made up of electronic cigarette producers, distributors and retailers, whose aim is to speak on behalf of the electronic cigarette industry, especially in response to health concerns, and to help institute industry standards. The group is headquartered in Washington, D.C. Its president and spokesman is former United States congressman Matt Salmon.

May 2009: FDA tests 2 brands of electronic cigarettes, Njoy & Smoking Everywhere. 18 catridges are tested. Tests reveal trace amounts of cancer-causing nitrosamines. One cartridge contains 1% diethylene glycol, a toxic substance. Cartridges labeled as 0mg nicotine are shown to contain nicotine.
Evaluation e Cigarettes

June 2009: President Obama signs into law the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act 18, giving the FDA the power to regulate the tobacco industry. Although nicotine and cigarettes as a whole cannot be banned outright, flavoring such as fruit or mint can. Additionally, new tobacco products seeking to enter the market will be required to meet FDA pre-market standards, which could affect electronic cigarette regulation.

June 2009: Panama bans the importation, distribution and sale of electronic cigarettes.

July 2009: FDA files a supplimental brief, in the Smoking Everywhere lawsuit, referencing the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. The FDA contends that it still has authority over electronic cigarettes and they stand behind the decision to label it a drug-device combination and that the "FDA found, after examining the product, the claims made in the product labeling, and information SE submitted to FDA, that SE’s product met the definition of both a drug and device under the FDCA."
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/NewsEve.../UCM173191.pdf

July 2009: Two months after testing, the FDA issues a press release discouraging the use of electronic cigarettes and repeating previously stated concerns that electronic cigarettes may be marketed to young people, lack appropriate health warnings and that they contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze.
Electronic Cigarettes

July 2009: FDA's May 2009 study is reviewed by scientific consulting firm Exponent, Inc., in a report commissioned by Njoy. Some of the criticisms in Exponent's report are poor standards of documentation and analysis and failure to perform relevant comparisons to FDA-approved nicotine replacement therapy products, which Exponent claims contain TSNA levels comparable to those of electronic cigarettes. The study concludes that the FDA's claims of potential adverse health effects were not supported by the study.
http://www.njoythefreedom.com/contac... Summary.pdf

August 2008: The State of Oregon files two settlements that prevent two national travel store chains, Pilot Travel Centers and TA Operating, from selling Njoy electronic cigarettes. In addition, the company must give the Attorney General advance notice that they intend to sell electronic cigarettes in Oregon, provide copies of all electronic cigarette advertising, and provide copies of the scientific studies they maintain substantiates their claims. Njoy voluntarily stops all sales in Oregon.
http://www.doj.state.or.us/releases/...el073009.shtml

August 2008: Oregon Attorney General John Kroger files a lawsuit against Smoking Everywhere, alleging that the Florida-based “electronic cigarette” company made false health claims about its nicotine delivery device and targeted children with sweet flavors. Smoking everywhere refuses to settle.

September 2009: California passes a bill to ban the sales of electronic cigarettes in the state. Governor Schwarzenegger vetoes the bill stating, "If adults want to purchase and consume these products with an understanding of the associated health risks, they should be able to do so unless and until federal law changes the legal status of these tobacco products."

October 2009: Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association forms and board members elected. The organization is made up of both consumers and retailers, with the mission to ensure the availability of effective, affordable and reduced harm alternatives to smoking by increasing public awareness and education; to encourage the testing and development of products to achieve acceptable safety standards and reasonable regulation; and to promote the benefits of reduced harm alternatives.
CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association

October 2009: UK ASH recognizes that products should be made available that deliver nicotine in a safe way, without the harmful components found in tobacco, but those attempting to quit should use conventional NRTs.
http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_715.pdf

December 2009: New Jersey State legislators pass a bill including electronic cigarettes in the state's public smoking ban.

December 2009: Njoy announces it is discontinuing, in the U.S., the availability of all flavors except its traditional tobacco flavor and menthol. The move aligns the flavors offered by NJOY with those allowed for combustible tobacco cigarettes under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

 

[kristin]

Haha I was about to post something like this, just a lot more dumbed down than his post.

Anyway... don't spend too much time googling about such stuff as not much reliable info has been released yet.

I'm a woman.

And there is a LOT of reliable info, including studies, here: CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

 

[BostonVape]

I know a guy whos uncles, sisters, friends, cousins, maids dog died from e-cig's..

true story.

 

[knight_]

I know a guy whos uncles, sisters, friends, cousins, maids dog died from e-cig's..

true story.

THey swallowed the ecigs???

 

[78aukab]

THey swallowed the ecigs???

they got electrocuted?

 

[tcgenius]

IMO I would have to think that deaths, if any, were attributes to battery accidents and improper handling of DIY nicotine.

 

[BostonVape]

I don't have time to find the post.. but apparently a child died today or recently from drinking nic juice..

the story should be easy to find (really need to get back to work )