Horrible BBC report blames UK man's death on e-cigs!
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whatever happened to real journalism? i think the profession should be called: "sensationalism". anything for ratings....
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A small nitpicky detail, only because you as a vendor should have infallible rhetoric. Flavorings are not the smallest ingredient in juice, nicotine is. At least when referring to flavoring as one component, and not trying to breakdown the actual chemical composition and concentration. But think of it like this, up to 20% of a juice may be flavoring, while nicotine is only in the .006% - .036% range. I suspect some chemical compounds in some flavorings may be much more concentrated than that. Take clove flavoring for example, PA's is pure eugenol (the only pure chemical flavoring constituent I have at the top of my head). Even at only 1% flavoring there will be far more eugenol than nicotine in the finished juice.
-my brain is foggy, somebody check my maths?
On a related note, why don't we as a community jump in front of this lipoid pneumonia thing? Anybody have access to scholarly journals that can do some basic research for us? Things like:
-what types of oils can cause it, pop research shows kerosene (aka, parafin in some parts of the world) and mineral oil
-how much oil is needed to cause it
-timeline of exposure
-case studies for examples?
This type of info COULD categorically prove lipoid pneumonia as an impossible effect, or they could give us specific guidelines rather than blanket bans on things that can be described in irrelevant terms as "oils"
-what types of oils can cause it, pop research shows kerosene (aka, parafin in some parts of the world) and mineral oil
-how much oil is needed to cause it
-timeline of exposure
-case studies for examples?
This type of info COULD categorically prove lipoid pneumonia as an impossible effect, or they could give us specific guidelines rather than blanket bans on things that can be described in irrelevant terms as "oils"
I was cruising the web looking for info that might be related to this case. I read a medical warning about children inhaling mineral oil that they were taking for constipation and it causing this type of pneumonia. I saw another article about mineral oil being usable in theatrical fog machines as an alternative to PG. I also saw a reference to a do it yourself ejuice that used mineral oil as a component. Perhaps there are a number of recipes that use mineral oil. Could this poor man have been using mineral oil in his juice or could there be suppliers that are using mineral oil instead of PG or in addition to PG?
U wouldn't believe if I say that's me. Lol.
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I can't find research data available to back up this statement with regards to the exposure dosage similar to that of an e-cig smoker. There is a lot of info out there...I see research done that shows little or no ill effects (and even some positive effects) of low dose inhalation for short periods of time... But nothing like high dosage, deep inhalation, long term exposure.
IMO it is misleading to say we KNOW it is safe to use PG the way we do.
I know what Leaford is saying that because PG is used for asthma inhalers, breathing treatments, etc. That it has been used medically for over 50 years is deamed by the medical community as safe but I see what your saying. An asmatic doesn't use their inhalers as often as we vape. And even the 30 minute breathing treatments my grandmother received 2 times a day. Still wouldn't equal how much I vape. Would be interesting to KNOW but is still safer than the smoking habit, I've only been quit for a week and a half and I already feel so much better and don't get as winded as before.
As always even too much of a good thing might not be so good. Like caffine, I'm addicted to that too!
As always even too much of a good thing might not be so good. Like caffine, I'm addicted to that too!
The problem is all the sensationalism. We need facts not sensationalism. The sky is falling mentality never helped anyone. I can't help think that too many good things get tossed without a second thought because someone erroneously labeled it bad.
I am not saying we shouldn't check it out or be cautious about this kinds of events. They are sad, but without careful analysis, any and all conclusions are not worth much.
I agree we need tests and on going medical evaluations. E-cigs are still in it's infancy and we all need to keep our eyes open. But, this type of unprofessionalism sensationalism helps no one. Most of all people who want to quit smoking.
I am not saying we shouldn't check it out or be cautious about this kinds of events. They are sad, but without careful analysis, any and all conclusions are not worth much.
I agree we need tests and on going medical evaluations. E-cigs are still in it's infancy and we all need to keep our eyes open. But, this type of unprofessionalism sensationalism helps no one. Most of all people who want to quit smoking.
I hear what you're saying, but the thing is there is no mechanism for long term harm. For long term exposure to be different than short term exposure, there has to be some cumulative effect. Either small scale damage or an accumulation of the substance which builds up over time. PG has neither.
Without a plausible mechanism for long term harm saying "we just don't know" is conjuring up imaginary fears. It's the big bad "fear of the unknown" without considering what we DO know.
We KNOW that it doesn't cause tissue damage. We know that. So we don't have to worry about cumulative damage. We KNOW that it doesn't accumulate in tissues or the blood, and that the body DOES metabolize it and expell the byproducts. So we don't have to worry about an accumulation in the system. We KNOW that it's chemically inert, so won't react with other substances. We know these things as facts.
Nothing that we know about PG suggests any short or long term harm from PG except from a HUGE dose in a very short time. So I'd suggest being concerned about the substances we DON'T know as much about.
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I hope your right leaford. And I believe your right actually. Just not sure enough to make guarantees. I do look forward to more studies being done.
Oops, almost forgot to reply. You are correct, and thanks for the correction. And no, it's not nitpicky. Facts matter.
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I think he is setting his sights on an individual who posted earlier in this very thread. Unless, of course, she is is really the 400lb man Leaford believes her to be. If not, then DAMN! The word smokin' comes to mind.
Dude, don't date yourself like that when you are pursuing a younger woman...
I mean, Yowza? Really?
I mean, Yowza? Really?
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