E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

*cough* *cough*...
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You mean the Canadian and Australian orders where they were all old versions when others were getting the new versions?

You're sayin they've seen the light and are going to completely change the way they've done business since day one?
Hallelujah! Can I get an "Amen" on that?!

The order I received(Canadian) with old versions was resolved to my satisfaction, I did place another order and intend to again once the final version has been around a little while.

I did not sell my old versions received but I did give some of the good ones from my order away, which still leaves me lots to use for awhile.

I originally intended to sell some off but decided against it since new revisions have/are coming out, and I can mod mine with PTB to not leak and wick great.

The 510XL's I received with damaged threads I was able to retool to the right shape and checked for shorting and didn't wind up with one that was unusable so I didn't contact them about them.

I read their policies and knew I might not be happy and went for it anyway.

Dealing with a manufacturer/supplier is definitely different than with a vendor, especially when dealing direct with China. Add to that a language barrier, loss of meaning in translation and what may have been meant as a strongly worded email or conversation being interpreted completely the wrong way than intended.

I have been polite in my emails, included pictures of what my problem was and they were polite with me. I misunderstood one of their emails to me and it was clarified by Martinez himself which I appreciated.

Do I appreciate what my local vendors do? Yes I do.
Am I willing to pay the prices I used to locally when I can order direct at a significant savings ? Not any more. I would rather take the time to work with the supplier to find a solution.

As a suggestion, for the bad cartomizers, batteries etc. that customers are having problems with that they require returned. They could have the items shipped to someone in the country of the person having the issue so that it can be verified and defective items disposed of, then a store credit/refund issued. I am sure the manufacture could make a arrangement with a individual in each market.

As a note, I have only been using the C-E2's since I first received them. My atomizers and old cartomizers feel very neglected - LOL.

All the best, Happy vaping,
Wing.

 

[badkolo]

No reason for a tit and tat, nav your right but quick1 is right too.
If i wasnt sticking this out i wouldnt care but i am and im talking to them to make good on the bad ones and they have agreed, they already took care of nicotime and his issue, the member whos package got lost becuase of eliquid is also handled but quick1 is right i stepped in to handle that and there is no excuse for that but it is what it is.

i need to ask the owners here how to proceed with helping the members here who had issues with dead e2's and the ones with the glue so they can be exchanged for the by maybe sending them to one person here in the states and then that person will send it back to them and they will send out replacements to that person to send to the people.

Im willing to the favor and not for martinez or eliquid but for the members, im kind like that and am willing to help out this one time AS to not impeed any progress made(or lack there of lol)

 

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

Hey Bad,
I appreciate all the help you have given and I am sure others feel the same. It looks like we have a similar idea on a possible way to help members/customers deal with returns to the manufacturer, maybe Martinez will like the idea, or a variation of it as well.

All the best,
Wing.

 

[Quick1]

Frankly I think the end user shouldn't even be allowed to buy bulk orders directly from the factory like this. Just my opinion on the whole thing.

the uncomfortable thing is that quick1 seems to want vapers to be 'forbidden' from buying from a supplier

it's a good thing that people have the freedom to choose to buy an e2 for $1.70 from china or for $2.99 from a U.S. vendor

,but quick1 is not happy with our freedom to choose?

If you're going to misattribute posts you should at least pick ones more than a couple of hours old.

 

[badkolo]

I dont know why we are going back and fourth bickerng at eachother, we are all here for the same reasons, and we are all vapors, we should be uniting and not dividing, you cant argue that quick is wrong, hes not, you cant argue that nav is wrong , he isnt and so on.

we are well aware this thing has been a nightmare, now do we bicker or do we try to get them to put up and fix these orders.
we can agree i hope that even though its been revision after revision that they continue to improve or try to improve the product.
i cant speak for the messes they keep making since i dont work there but if I did heads would roll immediatly.

Im speaking to martinez to get this sorted out and do the right thing and he has agreed, im not taking credit for this in anyway since i wasnt the one that cuased him to do so.
I am willing to help without breaking any forum rules, a member offered a solution to them and they like the idea and are willing to do it.
the people with GLUE or DEAD e2's form the last revisions not including revision 1 can contact them at info@e-liquid.cn, they will verfiy your past order and take it form there.

Im doing my best to stick this out, i still believe they want to sell a good product but most importantly i believe the E2 can be the ONE and im hoping the r4 is what we have been waiting for and im willing to wait to find out.
BUT.. I also made it clear , MY patience is running thin and the same applies to many members. they need to get their act straight and make sure people recieve exactly what they ordered.

So ill repeat
""They will exchange the bad E2's people have received in the last few weeks, some of these have glue inside and some might be DOA due to whatever reason. contact them with your email and order info at info@e-liquid.cn and they will set you up for a exchange based on the issue you have. You CAN'T get a exchange on your E2's just because you dont like the e2 and thats fair enough.
They will not honor the exchange for members who are selling their e2's and then asking for a exchange.

 

[v1John]

ok, quick1, I'm sorry but I thought you were the one posting it, I tried to quickly read and catch up,
so I hereby apologize and reattribute

I'll have to be even more careful if our avatars get switched between us all, is that still expected soon?

 

[v1John]

so what is the explanation for the filler material and the wick?
did they contact Lipton and order the same material? I read a post about it being a cloth or something with a crossweave pattern, would it be ptb cloth?
For the r4 are they planning to cut the wick outside of the cup so that less liquid gets trapped towards the end?

 

[badkolo]

im not sure what you mean, they added the filler to stop the leak in the slits and to replicate the ptb. it can be removed, they will start making them withou the fill and include them in the box so people can do that themselves if they feel uncomfortable with filler around the cup being inside the e2., they tested it for burning around the cup and it didnt change or burn but that doesnt tell us much. but i havent tested that so I cant verify that yet.

I dont think anything is changing with the wick, it is cleaned and primer free he said and thats that, they selaed the bottom of the cup, they made sure connectors are not dented and thats that.

if used like a analog it should perform as inteneded, if you want a super steam engine then your free to cut off the wicks and add the filler they provide or use ptb for back to back to back to back vaping.

 

[v1John]

ok thanks, that should work, although I haven't had any leaks with the new R3.5 inner cap, and if they seal the wire holes with the rubber then I hope it works better and without an increase in lateral vacuum at the slots. The new inner ring in the latest inner cap should help with that too I hope.

and one more question, I just dry burned a coil, but it left the cup all gooey, and I have no idea what it looks like inside the carto.
do you aor anyone know what can be used instead of denture tablets? is it something simple like baking soda or hydrogen peroxide or do i actually need to buy a box of denture tablets? and if i do, are they expensive or is it just cheaper to grab a new $1.50 carto?

 

[Turbo]

I just dry burned a coil, but it left the cup all gooey

What do you mean by 'gooey'? I'm assuming gunk? I use Vodka but the denture tablets sound like a good bet.

 

[badkolo]

the denture tablets come 100 for 5 bucks or something super cheap like that, you can get your local brand

by the way, a clean good xl e2 with cut wicks and tailed ptb mod ROCKS so freaking hard.

 

[v1John]

yes Turbo, it looks like burned coffee around the inside of the cup, and yesterday I had one so bad that I thought the cramic cup may have burned so I threw that one away.

ok thanks Bad, I'll try that soon

 

[v1John]

actually I dry burned 2 of them just now

one of them looks ok in the cup, and now it's re-filled and working great

the other one seems to have a lava dome that grew quite a bit and doesn't want to go away now, that's also the one with the burnt coffee around the cup

 

[badkolo]

its probably juice gunk building aorund the cup. dry burn it and wash it well, how long have you been using that one becuase mine dont get like that for at least a week of heavy use

 

[v1John]

I've probably been using that one a few days, I have 7 in use right now, but these 2 that I'm trying to clean are the short ones

 

[Turbo]

its probably juice gunk building aorund the cup. dry burn it and wash it well, how long have you been using that one becuase mine dont get like that for at least a week of heavy use

Yes, same here. I'm lazy about cleaning them and end up w/ that. It's harder but possible to get clean..

 

[badkolo]

this is where i agree with v1john big time, one a week is fantastic, that 4 a month, thats less then 6 bucks a month. Besides that i have gotten over and ove25 days and more out of these things I think im gonna ptb the one i use, vape it hard for a week and chuck it.

thats not to say if you take care of them and clean them every few days of heavy use that these things cant last for many weeks because they can but eventually they get to a point where a fresh one is better and its better to toss out the old one becuase of the issue you just explained with gunk thats harder to remove.

 

[mutt4a]

So, I'm actually happy with the CE2's as shipped. I'm gonna do one of the PTB's this weekend, but hey, they are great for me as shipped. All 10 of the ones i have are fine, no issues at all... execpt....

However I put some MFS pralines and cream in one, and have to shake it every now and then to "get it going again".... Is this what the PTB mod should help with? And as everyone seems to be insisting the PTB mod is necessary is the "improvemnt" of the R4's supposed to compensate/resolve the reason for needing the PTB?

 

[badkolo]

So, I'm actually happy with the CE2's as shipped. I'm gonna do one of the PTB's this weekend, but hey, they are great for me as shipped. All 10 of the ones i have are fine, no issues at all... execpt....

However I put some MFS pralines and cream in one, and have to shake it every now and then to "get it going again".... Is this what the PTB mod should help with? And as everyone seems to be insisting the PTB mod is necessary is the "improvemnt" of the R4's supposed to compensate/resolve the reason for needing the PTB?

yes the ptb will help with that and thats what the r4 is trying to replicate, we will know soon if it works.

 

[jamezelle]

not sure if this has been mentioned but......if you have a driptip this may help... what i do to stop leaking from the mouthpeice area is to get rid of the middle and inner plugs, and push the white plug that comes with the carto all the way in then use my drip tip, it stiffens the draw a tad, but IMO its better!!