E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[badkolo]

Im guessing if they seal the cup to the stem that will obviously solve that part of the problem. then they need to make holes on the ceramic for the wick, NO slits just holes for the wick, not to small, not to big.

that should solve most of that issue, the inner plug needs to have the main hole widened. I dont think the wicking issue can be 100% solved but they can get it close im hoping. im not having the wicking issue like i did last time, maybe its my juice, i had it happen but nothing like before, im also trying to match the ohm to the right voltage as well.

the only way to truly fix the wick for everyones type of juice is to try different types of wick to see which works best for the e2.

Turbo thats what so crazy, i have many that work flawlessy and its just amazing how well it works. I have a few that dont get dry spells really but they dont wick perfectly but much better then revision 2.

I can live with the e2 once the leaking is fixed and the primer is removed but in the end i rather pay more and have it 100% spot on.

 

[v1John]

That is true, when mine leaked, of course it ended up in the thread connectors, but it it actually came from the cup.
So has anyone tried to caulk around the cup with blue foam or old filler, by any chance?

(Also bad, I think nav had water mixed in his home mixed juice! I wouldn't be surprised if he had a leak or two.)

 

[BanjoMan]

Im guessing if they seal the cup to the stem that will obviously solve that part of the problem. then they need to make holes on the ceramic for the wick, NO slits just holes for the wick, not to small, not to big.

that should solve most of that issue, the inner plug needs to have the main hole widened. I dont think the wicking issue can be 100% solved but they can get it close im hoping. im not having the wicking issue like i did last time, maybe its my juice, i had it happen but nothing like before, im also trying to match the ohm to the right voltage as well.

the only way to truly fix the wick for everyones type of juice is to try different types of wick to see which works best for the e2.

Turbo thats what so crazy, i have many that work flawlessy and its just amazing how well it works. I have a few that dont get dry spells really but they dont wick perfectly but much better then revision 2.

I can live with the e2 once the leaking is fixed and the primer is removed but in the end i rather pay more and have it 100% spot on.

Assuming they do holes instead of slots for the wick, how do you see the filler ring? Like now except not going down far enough to pinch the wick, or maybe short and plastic so it's easier to pop in and out for drip filling? They REALLY need to get away from the syringe thing... nobody likes it.

 

[v1John]

So do you think that if they make the slots in the cup just wide enough and just deep enough for the wick to sit in without compressing it we might have a winner?

I think one more strand of wick would do with the current slot size, so that only leaves the slot length, and that needs to go, they can probably have just a narrow slit (on the top of the cup, away from the wick) if it's absolutely the only way they can thread the wick, but above the wick, you really need NO wide slots.

 

[v1John]

Thanks, ok here are some more suggestions, and this will help avoid the microscopic filler
holes and messing with syringes.


Here on top, the top of the carto has a metal cap-like lid that you can rotate 90 degrees or so, with a screwdriver, revealing the two large filler holes. All these pictures show the top view of the top (mouth-end) of the carto, with the white mouthpiece removed:

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Then, here is an alternate suggestion. On this one, the cap needs to be fully unscrewed and removed. I like the first idea above better though, because this metal top really should be permanently pressure-fitted to stabilize the cup beneath it real well. Here below, it doesn't just turn 90 or 180 degrees, it's unfortunately fully removed.

The good thing about this idea below is that you may be able to plug the holes with the small silicone nail-like plugs from the old cartos, and then keep them in place by screwing the metal lid back on:

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With either idea, the threads on the carto do not start from the very top, so it's still easy to remove and replace the white rubber mouthpiece.

The Syringe does need to go, it's ok as an option, but it's not good to have that be the only effective way (without 'messing' with the carto and tearing it apart).

The holes in these pics, btw, are large enough for oiler bottles to squeeze liquid in to fill them. I have one of those hobby oiler bottles, and that, I think, would be the next best thing.

I hope the pictures are easy to understand, in the top two, you simply take a screwdriver, and the metal lid turns so that you can fill it through the easy-fill holes.

(These are all pictures of the top -mouth end- of the carto... and the big white mouthpiece has been removed, so you can see the carto inside, where you fill it.)

 

[BanjoMan]

I still vote for an "easily" removable inner ring. Otherwise no matter what kind of fill system you have they'll still be too hard to rinse out and dry burn.

 

[br5495]

I have not had one leak from the bottom under normal use, but made one leak by moving the cup around while pushing down on it. However, I did it with a full reservoir, which may have put more liquid pressure at the bottom.

On another E2 XL, it was not very hard to push the assembly down far enough for it to come out of the fitting. This is not likely to happen unless someone pushed too hard on a filler ring while trying to install it. It cannot happen with the battery installed.

The grommet that secures the assembly is not like the usual one. Instead of being made of the usual silicone, it looks to be the same type of material as the white mouthpiece. The grommet does not show up all that well in this image, but it has a bevel or taper on the upper part:

The tube assembly is one piece, so there was never a question about juice leaking into the air passage from the bottom.

 

[v1John]

Br, Do you think that if the stem had hardened plastic instead of soft, and it was threaded into place, instead of pushed), that it would be better?

 

[br5495]

Br, Do you think that if the stem had hardened plastic instead of soft, and it was threaded into place, instead of pushed), that it would be better?

Something like that may be better if it was made out of the right material, but it would be more expensive to manufacture. So far, the method used seems to be working okay and there are more important issues that need to be dwelt with at this time.

 

[v1John]

I still vote for an "easily" removable inner ring. Otherwise no matter what kind of fill system you have they'll still be too hard to rinse out and dry burn.

I have not yet washed mine and probably never will, they're working great the way they are. I thought about trying a dry burn, but it's really not necessary, to the bomk, and it's not good for my batteries. It's more of a messy waste of time, I get 30 of them in a pack, and have not yet even had to throw one away yet! (of the ceramics), and I have lots of them, I have the short ones, the long ones, I have 510 and 808, I even have plastic ones that vape like winners.

 

[br5495]

If something is improved in the lower part of the E2, it should be the slots in the center post of the fitting. They should not be that wide, which would allow for a more shallow counter sink. This will give more surface area for the electrical contact. This extra area is needed for some of the smaller diameter posts that are on some devices such as thread adapters.

 

[v1John]

Something like that may be better if it was made out of the right material, but it would be more expensive to manufacture. So far, the method used seems to be working okay and there are more important issues that need to be dwelt with at this time.

Right, but as long as it's a different carto area, it's ok to go ahead and incorporate improvements at the same time. This is not like ages ago, when they tried everything imaginable including wide slots just to solve a small-loop coil problem. If it's in the bottom of the carto, it's a different improvement-department, and it's ok to proceed simultaneously.

Will it raise the carto price? Of course it will, and we all know that and they're a dime adozen right now and that's why I'm not buying them right now any more. Would you rather buy a $2.80 perfected E2, or a $1.40 potential dud that you have to hold your cigarette like a glass of wine or else you get slimed? Smokers need the perfected $2.80 E2's.

(adding: Br, the adaptor factory needs to get flexible and themselves adapt also. Otherwise Microcig needs to make adaptors.)

 

[BanjoMan]

I wish I had some of your luck with juices. The stuff I use builds up so fast on the coil I get max three fills on an XL before it turns black as tar and needs cleaning.

 

[v1John]

I wish I had some of your luck with juices. The stuff I use builds up so fast on the coil I get max three fills on an XL before it turns black as tar and needs cleaning.

My only juice now is from them, but I do notice a 'slight' amount of black something, it could be flavoring, I don't know, but I found that it tends to build more the less I vape and the more I just play around with the power switch. I think the carto was intended to have airflow in it every time you light it up.

So I quit playing around with the power switch, and I'm back to vaping. Otherwise, it doesn't seem to be a problem, and I'm still using my first 4 xl's because I haven't had to throw one away yet, and I still have over a dozen packs, and half a dozen packs of the plastics on top of that. Throwing away the first xl today wouldn't hurt anything, but they're still working fine.

(eddit to add: Talking about that, I just might throw away the first 2 or 3, now that I''m back. It's really not a problem. The problem was paying more for filler cartos and have to throw them away sometimes even in the first 20 minutes)

 

[Aras]

Weird... New forum....

 

[v1John]

I still vote for an "easily" removable inner ring. Otherwise no matter what kind of fill system you have they'll still be too hard to rinse out and dry burn.

BanjoMan, what if they made a limited edition of cartos that would unscrew at a place slightly lower than the cup? These would not be for everyone, but they could build say 1,000 of them once or twice a year, for people like you and those who like to have access to the inside?

 

[JAWS]

Hi Everyone, Does anyone want to sell a few of these E2 cartos, so I can test before making a large order. Please PM me, would love to try these out.
Thanks Judi

 

[v1John]

^ Jaws, you really may want to wait for the r4, what have you been using so far?
Do you have 808d? 510? Are they Joye 510?
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BanjoMan, what if they made a limited edition of cartos that would unscrew at a place slightly lower than the cup? These would not be for everyone, but they could build say 1,000 of them once or twice a year, for people like you and those who like to have access to the inside?

Or better yet, why don't they make them all like that. Just make sure they use at least 1/2 inch of threads, I mean lots of them, for a tight fit. That would solve the syringe problem, and you wouldn't even need the hobby oiler-bottle I was talking about. Simply unscrew the top 1/4 of the XL carto, fill, screw it back on, and vape?

 

[JAWS]

I have a Riva, Ego 1000 mah and KR 808. Just want to see what everyone is talking about.

 

[br5495]

Right, but as long as it's a different carto area, it's ok to go ahead and incorporate improvements at the same time. This is not like ages ago, when they tried everything imaginable including wide slots just to solve a small-loop coil problem. If it's in the bottom of the carto, it's a different improvement-department, and it's ok to proceed simultaneously.

Will it raise the carto price? Of course it will, and we all know that and they're a dime adozen right now and that's why I'm not buying them right now any more. Would you rather buy a $2.80 perfected E2, or a $1.40 potential dud that you have to hold your cigarette like a glass of wine or else you get slimed? Smokers need the perfected $2.80 E2's.

(adding: Br, the adaptor factory needs to get flexible and themselves adapt also. Otherwise Microcig needs to make adaptors.)

John, if a manufacturer used your approach, it would be like like ages ago when they tried everything imaginable (I'm picking at you boy, heheh).

I can't say that I am 100% satisfied with my E2's, but I wasn't 100% satisfied with my previous equipment either. I just used my older stuff the best way I knew how and that's what I am doing with what I am using now. The older E2's I have work just as good as the XL's, and in some ways better. I am using the XL's now mostly because they hold more juice, so I will use them the best way I know how.

I'm not in a big rush for the makers to change all kinds of things just because we think something sounds better. Knee jerk reactions are never good for anything, and I see some of that happening here. I have only been using the XL's for a short time, and that's not long enough to properly evaluate them. I had to eat some of the words that I said about the earlier versions and I will probably have to eat a few about this version. I just said something about the slot in the center post because I have been studying them for a longer period of time. I hope I won't have to eat those words, but maybe I will.

Like you, I would pay more for a better cartomizer, but according to what I have read, a lot of people would not. But then, if everyone would pay more for a perfect one that lasts forever, the manufacturer would not stay in business.