E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[v1John]

(cloudsofvapor looks like he has one kind right now)
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I think Bad was also asking about how to reassemble tow pieces of a carto, and since this is almost like my idea of a carto that you can unscrew the top portion, to just below the cup for maintenance, refills, and exploration, I,m posting the link to the user Vaporer's home made carto, check it out:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-replaceable-coil-cartomizer.html#post1680265


He uses filler though, but a threaded design could be made even with a little o-ring seal.

 

[br5495]

(cloudsofvapor looks like he has one kind right now)
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I think Bad was also asking about how to reassemble tow pieces of a carto, and since this is almost like my idea of a carto that you can unscrew the top portion, to just below the cup for maintenance, refills, and exploration, I,m posting the link to the user Vaporer's home made carto, check it out:

He uses filler though, but a threaded design could be made even with a little o-ring seal.

I modified a cartomizer a few months ago that works like that. It has a manufactured 2.5Ω horizontal coil and works almost as well as an E2. It can be a little slow to wick and the coil does not heat up as fast. It was the first device that I dry burned while actually looking at the complete coil. That is one of the reasons why I became interested in the E2.

 

[badkolo]

the last thing we want to do while they are checking these pages is come up with a million things for them to fix, it aint gonna happen and if they try im scared more will get messed up then fixed.

let them fix the leaking and the cup slits and maybe a better inner plug with a wider center hole.

 

[v1John]

If it doesn't unscrew at a point just below the cup, they will only appeal to syringe people, but anyway, you were wondering about putting two carto pieces back together, and that might work.

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Br, so if I get my removable-top cartos, is it easy to thread the parts so that they screw on?

With an unscreable top, exposing the cup and a small amount of the stem, you could do routine maintenance as well, and wash them, put a new wick and coil, new cup, etc.

 

[br5495]

(adding: Br, the adaptor factory needs to get flexible and themselves adapt also. Otherwise Microcig needs to make adaptors.)

I forgot to reply to this one. Microcig cannot change a standard that has already been established. Microcig is the one who needs to comply.

 

[v1John]

That's why I want them to make the perfect carto one of these decades, so they quit being substandard.

I forgot, but unscrewing the top portion of the carto casing could also allow maintenance of the cup sleeve.
They need the sleeve too, because people are already burning their lips.

 

[badkolo]

with the coil and cup being so high up then they need to stop making 2.5, 2.6 ohm cartos, they get to hot there by the mouth peace

 

[v1John]

^ Bad, if the top part was unscrewable, people could choose the optional 5cm XXL carto top with built in 910 or round tip


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I'm surprised no one thought that they all might as well have the removable carto top!
I can see it now if they don't. We may see posts about people needing to make adustments and I'm going
to be posting "don't look at me, I told you we needed the top part of the carto able to be unscrewable"

 

[br5495]

Br, so if I get my removable-top cartos, is it easy to thread the parts so that they screw on?

With an unscreable top, exposing the cup and a small amount of the stem, you could do routine maintenance as well, and wash them, put a new wick and coil, new cup, etc.

I don't know John. I have never given it a thought. If I did, it would probably be a complete new design and not a modified E2.

This old man has a busy day planned for tomorrow and needs to get outta here. Maybe I'll come back home with a prototype in my hand. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[badkolo]

Ive been using a drip tip so much i didnt even pay attention to how hot the 2.5 ohm ones get, to hot for the lips, that needs to be dealt with

 

[v1John]

I don't know John. I have never given it a thought. If I did, it would probably be a complete new design and not a modified E2.

This old man has a busy day planned for tomorrow and needs to get outta here. Maybe I'll come back home with a prototype in my hand. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Cool deal, can I buy some prototypes?
ok goodnight

 

[badkolo]

the coils work extremly well on the e2 and 2.5 ohm and 2.6 ohm is simply just to low on both the regualr and xl, they need to be 2.8 at minimum(and thats still to low) and should all be 3.0 and 3.2.

not everyone has a variable device so they have to match the standard and I have no clue why they chose 2.6 ohms as a standard.

3.0 -3.2 needs to be the standard, runs cooler, works on a wider range of voltages, solves some wicking issues and doesnt burn your lips off.

Im happy they gave ohm options, to each his own and some might have variable devices but at the same time they are trying to create a standard and that should be 3.0-3.2.

 

[badkolo]

Now im having a leak fest and finding many with the wrong ohms.

2 packs down the tubes. the leaking is massively annoying.

And i wouldnt raise the price not even after they feel its perfect, they need to be tested first bu the users before any jacking up of the prices should occur.

on some it doesnt matter if the inner plug is in place, if you fill it all the way up and if it has the ability to leak it will. so that needs ot be fixed before anything.

update, im starting to get more inconsistant ones, the xl's are off, now i mean off becuase i expect 2.8 to 30 and im not getting that and the xl's need to be higher ohms period.
i tested 15 new ones and im getting half that leak. the other half worked well and wicked well but are not the proper ohm.

im getting real good results on the 510 and 808 regular but then they also get to hot to fast. Those either need ot be used on variable device to lower the voltage or microcig needs to raise the ohm even on the regular 510 as well. they have it as an option for the 808 regular and there is no reason the 510 cant have the higher ohm.

then they need to have someone making sure that people are recieving the proper ohm they ordered, having it as an option doesnt do anyone any good if we order 3.0 to 3.2 and end up recieveing 2.5 ohm ones, they basicly just killed a whole order right there.

Im wondering something as well, when looking at the coil some have 5 or 6 loops around the wick while other have like 3 loops.
Does having less loops lighten the heat, if o then maybe the 3 loops of coil around the wick is better then having 90000 loops .

 

[br5495]

the coils work extremly well on the e2 and 2.5 ohm and 2.6 ohm is simply just to low on both the regualr and xl, they need to be 2.8 at minimum(and thats still to low) and should all be 3.0 and 3.2.

not everyone has a variable device so they have to match the standard and I have no clue why they chose 2.6 ohms as a standard.

3.0 -3.2 needs to be the standard, runs cooler, works on a wider range of voltages, solves some wicking issues and doesnt burn your lips off.

Im happy they gave ohm options, to each his own and some might have variable devices but at the same time they are trying to create a standard and that should be 3.0-3.2.

The standard Joye 510 cartomizer is 2.5Ω. It was designed to go with their 3 volt battery. It remains to be seen, but a lot of people may prefer to use this combination.

I don't know if it happens with you, but mine run a lot hotter when I put on one of my tips. It is a lot more noticeable with the stainless ones without a wrapper. I don't have a problem when tail piping or using the original mouthpiece. But then, I don't rape one of these things like you do, heheh.

I am disappointed that our 510's are not 3Ω, because that's what I was expecting them to be. So far, the ones I have opened measure about 2.3 - 2.6Ω. I am almost positive that I will like my juice better at 3Ω.

 

[badkolo]

when i normally vape i vape one long 5 second drag and then i pause for 20 seconds at least. When i vape like that I dont have a issue of it getting hot and causing a issue.

When i test for stress tests and vape back to back it gets very hot and will burn your lips on the lower ohm e2, now is that a fair test, since other atomizers get hot as hell too when dripping or using cartridges and you back to back vape, so are we holding the e2 on a different level for whatever reason or should we expect them to raise the ohm to cool down the e2. thats not up to me to decide nor do i know which is the best avenue to go on that one.

Yes im disappointed too because i have over 400 e2's that are most likely the wrong ohm since so far they are, so combine receiving the wrong ohm and the ones with leaking issue and then i understand the ones that got angry when they bought a few and didnt work. And while i dont mind getting some good and some not for beta purposes there are also people buying them and getting mixed results. They need to nail down the leaking issue, the need to make sure we receive the proper ohms.

and i feel they need to widen the refil plug center hole a tad because people are removing it and noticing better results in taste, so widen the hole so people dont pry it out and do it themselves and inturn move the cup around which could cause a leak.

 

[br5495]

and i feel they need to widen the refil plug center hole a tad because people are removing it and noticing better results in taste, so widen the hole so people dont pry it out and do it themselves and inturn move the cup around which could cause a leak.

I have been using the br mod most of the time and it works best for me so far. It inspired me to come up with "Shorty" so that I could make a crude prototype. The XL is a different bird and the mod is not as easy to use because the cup keeps moving around all over the place. I'll be leaving in a few minutes and will see what me and my brother can come up with.

 

[badkolo]

oh thats nice, leave us hanging for god knows how many hours chewing our nails off our fingers, thanks a bunch br, thanks a bunch

this prototype better be the one, there is no beta period for you.lol

 

[neonrust]

I have fifteen 808 ceramic E2's on the way. I'm feeling ILL about them after reading through this thread.

 

[K24A3]

These KR808 3.7v Carto's measured at 3.0-3.2 ohms burn the juice very easily on a fully charged KR808D-1 Battery (4.2v).

Do RS test these carto's with 3.7v Batteries from other manufacturers? Or just their own?

They really need to test these things with 'common' batteries before pushing them into mass production, their quality control is indeed questionable.

 

[badkolo]

whenever I get a bad one that starts to upset me I just pickup and start vaping the good ones so I dont flip the f out..
this can be frustrating so i need the good ones to keep me focused.