E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[Scottbee]

About the experimental XL with the window chopped in it. I failed to mention that it can be vaped by closing the window with a long rubber boot with an air hole in the end. If you drill a hole in the right place of an XL, it can be filled from a bottle by sliding the boot up enough to expose it.

Hmmm.. maybe a rotating sleeve with a hole in it??

 

[br5495]

i think the slit needs to be raised a tad, the beginning of the slit seems to be flush to the airhole, plus the slits are to wide, if you cut one open and look at the wick in the slits on some the wick isnt touching both sides of the slit leaving way to much room.

Personally, I don't believe anything should be changed until they have better quality control. Otherwise we are just farting in the wind with our experiments.

It's time for din din and a nap here. Catch you guys later.

 

[badkolo]

arranging my time online around your naps to finish discussions is getting ridiculous BR.lol

 

[zoiDman]

If the slots go back to narrow, like they were in the plastic version, will that effect wicking?

 

[badkolo]

im not saying to go back to narrow, im saying to make them slightly smaller, so the wick actually fits the slot area, right now its way to wide and juice seeps right in.
the original design had then almost closed, the wick was pressed into the slot.

the second ones they made opened the slit wider for the wick but still left the top of the slit closed, that worked well, then they widened the slits even more and those worked ok with no leaks, but then they went extra wide and those leaked after use cause of deforming plastic widening the cup further.

did we all forget the plastic cup when they started to leak,.
so now the ceramic slots are extra wide, they need to be closed a tad.

actually zoid im saying exactly that, narrow, not closed but narrow. those worked the best until they deformed.((sorry i thought you said closed)im off my rocker today.

 

[v1John]

The e2 needs one or two more strands of wick right at the coil.

Bad, the wick material is fine, at the coil.

(What is the horizontal line on the cup?? It looks like the inner cap is not fully seated.)


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many of us don't have or use drip tips either, did yu ever get to do a trial run on the ecig to see if it was too hot to use before long?

 

[badkolo]

the 2.5 ohms get hot at 3.7 , but if you use it like a real cig then its fine with the ptb and a regular mouthpeace

 

[zoiDman]

Do you think two birds could be killed with one stone if the wick had more of a round shape verses single strands that tend to lay flat.

Say the slot width is .050" by .090" high. What if there was a wick out there that was .040" in diameter and a seal that came down .050"? The seal wouldn't compress the wick and the wick would stay some round when it bends around the cup.

 

[badkolo]

zoid we should be brothers becuase that is exactly what im thinking.

while I do agree with v1john that at the coil the wick is fine but that doesnt solve the issue since we cant mesh 2 types of wick together to make the e2, so what you just suggested is what im thinking.

but if they arent going to change the wick then they need to make the slits slightly thinner. ill open some up to show you but the wick has to much room in that slit thats in the ceramic now, i seen some where it doesnt even touch the side of the slit at all. thats not good. ill cut some open now and take pics to show you what i mean and i think i have some plastic cups around to.

or maybe they can overlap one more strand of wick.

 

[v1John]

I think if the slot's wick hole is .09" then the wick needs to be .09", if it's not, then you need to add another wick. They already do that, I think, just not enough. It looks like they double up the wick through the coil, so maybe they need to triple it, and get rid of THIS wick down inside the carto, which is misrouted and traps too much liquid from ever reaching the coil at all.

I wonder if a seamstress coud do some Lipton bags..

Bad, of course they can use two types of wicks, that's what the e2 needs!

What you said is like saying, well the airsetm is metal, so the cup needs to be metal. If it needs two wicks (it does) it needs two wicks, or else fix the problem, but there is no known international law that says they must only use one type of wick)

 

[zoiDman]

From a manufacturing stand point, it doesn’t make sense to solve one problem at a time. Retool, Reproduce, Sell and then move onto the next problem.

Seems like they should try to address as many problems as possible in one shot. I think changing to a round wick verses single strands could accomplish Wicking and leaking at the same time. Of course it would need to be tested to find the right wick diameter to slot width and height. And testing doesn’t seem to be MiT’s strong suit.

But if think if the wick remains the same that MiT will just chase their tail with wicking verses leaking.

 

[badkolo]

here is the proof of the leak. when we add ptb we are bandaging up, so they need to fix it without a bandage.

 

[Turbo]

Nice 'pics' bad and I agree w/ you yet again 'zoi', hits the nail on the head.

 

[v1John]

Sampling should mean trying various versions at the same time. When they went ceramic, they should have sent some ceramics, some plastics, some with no slots, some with, some with two strands in the coil, some with three.

Maybe I'll see if a seamstress can turn some Lipton bags into straws. Then I can easily place or replace the straws around the ceramic.

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Here's a new question, can the wick holes be slightly lower in the cup? even the coil can arch slightly over the air stem

 

[badkolo]

and have you noticed the only connector complaints are the dented connections, becuase of the new design they can be adjusted to fit on any device, just push down on the cup and it exposes enough of the center pin. so i want to thank them for that .lol

 

[zoiDman]

here is the proof of the leak. when we add ptb we are bandaging up, so they need to fix it without a bandage.

I don't think this is how the cup is leaking. Or at least not the major issue. I think when the wick is dry that it fill the slot pretty good. But when the wick gets wet, it tends to lay flat at the bottom of the slot. The gap is actualy at the top of the slot.

The PTB mod fills the gap at the top of the cup slot between the wick and the seal.

 

[v1John]

Maybe they need to be wick holes, not slots.. round, not square.

Have you seen the cup's wire holes? are those round holes?

 

[v1John]

Right, zoid.
Bad, that carto that you just took a picture of, can you soak it and heat it and abuse it for a while and then take a picture again?

 

[badkolo]

i can but later, off to movies with wifey

 

[v1John]

Also the bow tie needs to go, there is not proper routing of the wicks with a bow tie.
If there are two (or maybe 3) wicks going through the coil, another design could have 2 smaller holes on each side of the cup instead of one large slot, and each strand would have its own hole. (just like the electrical wire holes on the back of the ceramic cup.)

With the bow tie gone, it should be easy to run the wick ends through their holes.