E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[v1John]

Thanks, LGD, and yes, that's a standard carto condom end, and the carto is working great, although more recently I posted a pic of a carto with the hole near the mouthpiece end. It works better, because when filling, you want the bulk of the liquid to go the opposite way... at least until I permanently seal the rim and slots. The pic is on post #2084.

Just be sure to rinse after working on it, as Scottbee pointed out; give it a good wash. This does away with the hypodermic sized needle or tool requirement. I will try a slightly larger hole one of these days, and maybe slightly lower, and maybe some other slight differences, but the syringe is just about no longer a mandatory requirement.

 

[K24A3]

v1john, when filling the carto from the hole in the side, how do you know when the carto is full?

I'm guessing that the juice will start entering the cup via the slits when there is too much juice. So what you may need to do is remove the silicon cap and check for leaking juice in the cup, and stop filling at that point.

Or I guess you could inspect the juice level via the refill hole until its almost reaching the surface.

 

[br5495]

I will try a slightly larger hole one of these days, and maybe slightly lower, and maybe some other slight differences, ....

Just under the bottom of the cup may be the best place, John. That's the highest point that will allow the snoot to go in far enough for easier filling. That is the place I had in mind when I said that a hole could be used instead of a window.

 

[v1John]

Ok, well that's where it is right now, Br, I was just wondering if more room was necessary, inside the carto.
( reference=post#2084) <-- the hole center is 17mm from the top of the carto
I'm thinking that I may need a drip tip, or else make the rubber ring more narrow.

K24A3, I just fill and fill until you actually see it there at the hole. For now I'm still using the needle, but only because I need to get bottle tips and other supplies. The syringe will no longer be mandatory, and this will make it so easy to refill while up and about.

 

[br5495]

Ok, well that's where it is right now, Br, I was just wondering if more room was necessary, inside the carto.
( reference=post#2084) <-- the hole center is 17mm from the top of the carto
K24A3, I just fill and fill until you actually see it there at the hole. For now I'm still using the needle, but only because I need to get bottle tips and other supplies. The syringe will no longer be mandatory, and this will make it so easy to refill while up and about.

If you tilt the thing about 45 degrees or so, fill it up to the hole. Once it is in the vertical position the level will be higher than that and maybe slightly above the bottom of the cup. That's about where I like to fill one, regardless of how it is done.

 

[v1John]

Yes, you're right.
Also, now that refills are easy, it's not too big of a difference whether I get 6 more drops in it or not, except that now I wonder why they can't just make an even longer carto? hahaha
Seriously though, why not a xxl ? I don't mean twice as long, but maybe just around 1cm longer (10mm).
So basically it's just a matter of a slightly longer air stem and carto.

I don't know about the short ones, but they can probably be slightly longer also.
Right now, the short and the XL are about 35mm and about 50mm.

Maybe they need to be 42mm and 60mm!

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See, when they built the short one they were going by a similar size to the current filler cartos, but it turns out that wicking technology can really work so good and more liquid is therefore needed.... even with the short ones

 

[Lightgeoduck]

If you tilt the thing about 45 degrees or so, fill it up to the hole. Once it is in the vertical position the level will be higher than that and maybe slightly above the bottom of the cup. That's about where I like to fill one, regardless of how it is done.

Thanks for your work as well...and definitely your input.... I feel progress is effective when posts of applications are made.. I feel posts of theories might hinder a little more than assist... well TOO much theory that is.

I am ashamed that I haven't contributed as much as I think I could, but my priority list is longer than my alloted tinker time... and I can't multi-task too well

 

[Quick1]

I am ashamed that I haven't contributed as much as I think I could, but my priority list is longer than my alloted tinker time... and I can't multi-task too well

Heh, you're a duck after all. Don't worry about it, you're meeting expectations.

 

[br5495]

......, except that now I wonder why they can't just make an even longer carto? hahaha

I'd rather have one about one about this size.

 

[jamezelle]

cylindric PTB should be the answer, it wicks fast and cleanly, up until the actual coil wicking that is

EDIT: if we could get a cylindrical wick made of silica like the original wick is, with the holes that the PTB has we would be golden

 

[jamezelle]

i find that with the latest PTB mod even with bad's latest ptb pic it still doesnt wick fast enough, it wicks fast up until it hits the silica ends on the outside of the cup. Then I get a dry burning taste/smell

EDIT:maybe (i hope not) im getting burnt PTB taste/smell, but it doesnt taste/smell like plastic so i dont think so....

 

[mister kil]

why does the cup have to be in the middle, can't it be a half cup on one side, and filler reservoir plug on the other?

 

[badkolo]

how thick is your ptb, you dont want it to be to thick at all.

 

[K24A3]

why does the cup have to be in the middle, can't it be a half cup on one side, and filler reservoir plug on the other?

Exactly, that's what I mentioned a while ago. There should be a "tunnel" just under the white silicone cap that allow you to fill the carto straight from the bottle. The silicone cap would have a notch that plugs the tunnel on one side, and the other side would be where the ceramic cup is.

 

[badkolo]

Here is the all new PTB mod plus refilling and inner plug mod tips. Enjoy.

 

[Ghetto_Cowgirl]

Amazing Badkolo, thank you I have apparently been making my PTB a bit too thick, it's been working fine but now I think it's time to break out a new carto and try no wick too

 

[debb]

Great vid!! Was wondering how you actually got the wick out...

 

[arjay55]

"Here is the all new PTB mod plus refilling and inner plug mod tips."

Great video, bad. Show the whole process clear as a bell.

I got some of the Lipton Pyramids here in Oz to try but the material doesn't look quite as stiff. Might be an illusion I suppose.

I tried it with my version E2.2.1 plastic cup and it worked for a little while then flattened out, and stopped working as well. I also tried the blue foam which also worked well for a few hours. Then back to the dry-burn taste. bleh!

Frankly, I think I'm just 'shufflin the chairs on the Titanic' with these E2 plastic-cup carts.

Unfortunately no one is stocking the (ceramic) C-E2's here in Oz. Probably waiting for the "Final" revision before taking the plunge.

I've been trying to justify to myself getting a shipment from China or preferably the U.S. but the freight is a bit of a dampener. With all the ideas and changes I've read in this thread alone just makes opting in for the latest release that much harder.

Mind you, it's funny how the brain forgets things so quick. I'm probably fussing over $25 - $35 for freight, when cigarettes here are $15 for a 25 pack.

 

[v1John]

This is probably for the XL only.

The material is soft, but flatten the fold real well every time you fold it, take your time.

Bad, I just did the mod as you explained it and it's working really good, first I cut the wick and dry butrned the coil too.
I hope this carto will last a good while now, it's the one with the side filler hole.

 

[sanda]

I got some of the Lipton Pyramids here in Oz to try but the material doesn't look quite as stiff. Might be an illusion I suppose.

Arjay - I'm also in Oz and got some PTB. I agree - it looks different. The one in Bad's video looked more like fine mesh than these do.

I can't say I'm too keen on the idea of filling via a hole in the side. You guys have lots of experience with these things, so if that's what you think is best, I'll trust your judgement. I just think a hole in the side will be prone to leaking. I'm probably wrong though

Personally I would prefer a method where you could just take the mouthpiece out and drip from the bottle through there. Or perhaps being able to screw off the top - the part you screw off could then form the seal for the juice. This would also give you very easy access to the coil for cleaning etc.