E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[v1John]

Yeah ideally the top of the carto could screw off, but the factory would be the one to do that, and only as an option so that they carry both kinds. As long as they used plenty of threads and maybe an o-ring sealing washer it should work just fine.

I haven't tried my side filler hole outdoors and in hot weather, but I'll see how it does sometime soon. Around the house it does work just fine tho. I do think that the factory could make a better carto with a side filler hole also, so for now it's just a condom cover sealing it.

Can one of y'all post some pics of the Australian pyramids?

 

[K24A3]

Ayers rock is probably our closest pyramid lol

http://www.wayfaring.info/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/ayers-rock.jpg

But anyways here's a lipton pyramid

 

[zoiDman]

That's another problem that *should* be addressed. I think more than a few people will be turned off by syringe filling. If it has to have a filler ring, it should be easily removable and replaceable.

Hey Banjo...

Can you do me a favor? Since I'm sure that you have at least one carto with the PTB mod in it that has been refilled more than once. Can you remove the PTB from one carto, replace both the seals just like it came and tell me if it leaks?

The PTB was added to stop leaking and to help wicking, right? I'm curious if your cartos will leak after the seals have been expose to e-juice for a period of time?

 

[K24A3]

Good point zoiDman. My carto's rarely leak once they are a few days old.

 

[zoiDman]

Good point zoiDman. My carto's rarely leak once they are a few days old.

When I was a kid, my Father taught me a trick when replacing an oil filter on a car. He told me to put some motor oil on the new seal before you start so that it has 10 or 15 minutes to soak in as you change your oil. By the time you are ready to put on the new filter, the new seal has swelled and is more flexible. Makes a better seal.

I see the same thing with these cartos.

When the first carto leaked and ruined my auto battery, I put the condoms back on it and stuck it in a drawer to be tortured later. But a day later, when I went to dremel the little @#$%! I found that it wasn't leaking anymore.

If leaking can be addressed than the only issue left seems to be wicking. Which BTW, I don't seem to have problems with using a eGo battery (3.3v?) and normal, non-chain vaping.

 

[v1John]

Well I didn't have severe wicking problems before, just not perfect with the current e2 misrouted bowtie, but once you try the mod with the flat wick like Bad explained, I realized how much better it can and should be, and I vape like smoking a cigarette, slow inhales to mouth first. The wicking is SO much better now (with inhales to mouth first, which destroys some vapor), I now get and see the vapor so good with the Lipton pyramids.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - I'm not saying that the seal being exposed to e-Juice is the sole reason that the the cartos stops leaking.

It could also be the the porous ceramic cup becomes fully saturated and plays a roll also. But I tend to think not because if a boil an old carto Without the seals in it and then fill it and use the e-juice exposed seals, it doesn't seem to leak either.

I also tested a brand new carto with seals I soaked in 4:1 VG:Water and the new carto didn't seem to leak.

It would be nice If the leaking problem could be solved by something as simple as putting the seals into VG for a day or so.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Hey Banjo...

Can you do me a favor? Since I'm sure that you have at least one carto with the PTB mod in it that has been refilled more than once. Can you remove the PTB from one carto, replace both the seals just like it came and tell me if it leaks?

The PTB was added to stop leaking and to help wicking, right? I'm curious if your cartos will leak after the seals have been expose to e-Juice for a period of time?

zoid, i think i can answer that. i've been using the same carto for a couple of days and still got some seepage. no ptb yet, but yesterday i pulled the wick up on one side and there seems to be less today. but everytime i have to change the battery i need to wipe the threads, there is still some leaking.

 

[BanjoMan]

Here is the all new PTB mod plus refilling and inner plug mod tips. Enjoy.

Excellent video, bad. Glad you finally showed your face at the end 'cause for the first 12 minutes I kept thinking to myself: "Wow, Ray Romano uses e-cigs!"

Just wondering why you use the filler ring upside down instead of the middle ring flat side down? Is it because you want a larger inner hole?

I can see why using more PTB would wick faster, but I'm still leaving the wicks in place and using small squares of PTB to cover the slots. I might try your way though just for curiosity.

 

[BanjoMan]

Hey Banjo...

Can you do me a favor? Since I'm sure that you have at least one carto with the PTB mod in it that has been refilled more than once. Can you remove the PTB from one carto, replace both the seals just like it came and tell me if it leaks?

The PTB was added to stop leaking and to help wicking, right? I'm curious if your cartos will leak after the seals have been expose to e-Juice for a period of time?

zoiDman I'll test that out for you. I'm getting ready to clean one of my 510 XL's now. Once it's nice and white again I'll throw the plugs back in and see what happens.

 

[badkolo]

Excellent video, bad. Glad you finally showed your face at the end 'cause for the first 12 minutes I kept thinking to myself: "Wow, Ray Romano uses e-cigs!"

Just wondering why you use the filler ring upside down instead of the middle ring flat side down? Is it because you want a larger inner hole?

I can see why using more PTB would wick faster, but I'm still leaving the wicks in place and using small squares of PTB to cover the slots. I might try your way though just for curiosity.

thanks banjo, i used both as the main plug, i swithc up but i widened the hole on the center plug as well and use that as the main plug sometimes as well, both work the same with the wider cut out hole i made.

Leaving the wick for the ptb mod works by just using enough ptb to cover the slits. BUT cutting the wicks out and doing the new ptb mod with tail wicks much better overall.

when i do my ptb mod i can here and feel the juice cooking so well and you can feel the wicking in action, i know that sounds crazy but you see the amounts of vapor i get and it feels like its shooting vapor into my mouth versus having to pull on it to get vapor if that makes any sense.

The e2 always vaped well, it always gave huge vapor when working properly so thats not the issue, the issue was that if you vaped hard or often or sometimes for no reason you would get a dry spot.
that doesnt happen with my mod even if you try.((banjos idea of coarse))

 

[zoiDman]

zoid, i think i can answer that. i've been using the same carto for a couple of days and still got some seepage. no ptb yet, but yesterday i pulled the wick up on one side and there seems to be less today. but everytime i have to change the battery i need to wipe the threads, there is still some leaking.

The way the wick sits in the slot Diffinately effects both leaking and vapor production. If it lays flat, things seem to go wrong. If it is "fluffed up", things to to work good.

Just curious. Do you store your cartos with the condoms on them? I just pulled the condom of the mouth piece end first of a non-leaking carto and it seemed like the suction of the condom being pulled juice into the cup. Could have been all in my mind though.

zoiDman I'll test that out for you. I'm getting ready to clean one of my 510 XL's now. Once it's nice and white again I'll throw the plugs back in and see what happens.

I would like to hear your results. Mine don't seem to leak with or without the PTB on a "seasoned", refilled carto. Other members have mentioned the same thing.

I'm trying to figure out if it is the seals that are swelling up. Or the cup has become non-porous or both or maybe something in between.

 

[v1John]

they still leak without lipton cloth, if they don't, go outside in hot weather, lay it flat, and when you come back it's leaking.

the ptb really helps...not only with the leaking, but the suplly to the coil as well

 

[badkolo]

which is why they need to close the slits or redesign them which they are doing, they are not going to use a different wick they said for whatever reasons but there is a few molds being tested.
ill say it again, im not a fan of the wick being used at all, its not bad but its not the perfect wick for this design, its doable and i can live with it once they fix the slits to match the wick girth in the slits in turn stopping the leak.

 

[v1John]

we just need to know where lipton gets their cloth from now

 

[BanjoMan]

Ok well I'm going to have to try another carto. I grabbed what I "thought" was the PTB with my tweezers, and instead of "carefully" and "slowly" pulling it out I gave it too fast a yank and pulled out some wick (and I do mean *out*). Rookie mistake on my part but maybe this will help somebody down the road.

And bad you can quit with the "banjos idea" stuff. zoiDman has as much claim on that as I do, and as far as I'm concerned you've advanced the concept enough to take credit for the "badkolo full PTB dip-your-wick super-thick-I-can't-see-for-the-vapor method".

 

[badkolo]

yeah yeah, just dont want someone saying later on i never gave credit. all good. credit to v1john and zoid as well.

 

[BanjoMan]

yeah yeah, just dont want someone saying later on i never gave credit. all good. credit to v1john and zoid as well.

I'd be willing to bet you've put in more actual time than anyone here testing these things. Not to mention all the pics and videos you've done.

Good job and you should get full credit for all of that.

 

[badkolo]

Whats funny guys is that Until the e2 i hated vaping at 3.7 unless it was dripping on a LR atomizer otherwise it was 5 volts and 6 at time exclusively but now with the e2 i get as much vapor as dripping but much more of a punch all together and this is at 3.7volts and BELOW. that just amazes me.

Not to knock old cartos, they are what they are but the e2 stomps all over them in every way.

 

[zoiDman]

I think getting to this point has been a Collective effort of Many members.

What I see is that it doesn't have PTB to yield the same results. The first mod I tried was with Blue Foam and it worked great. I know that Blu Foam doesn't have the thermal properties as PTB but it was all I had on hand.

The second mod I did was with the wick it's self. I cut the loop and drapped it over the wick at the slots. Worked the same, Great.

My Third mod I used the silica sleeve from inside a regular carto. Same Same. Worked fine.

So don't feel that you have to use PTB if you can't find it. Just about anything that is Porous, Chemicaly Stable and can take some Thermal Load should work just as well as PTB.