E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[br5495]

I just finished a test with a new 510 XL. I removed the guts, pulled out the wicks, cut them off and replaced them with PTB wicks. I filled the carto with juice and tail piped it. WOW! Great plumes of vapor everywhere!

Then I took another new 510 XL out of the same box. I removed the guts, filled the carto with juice and tail piped it. WOW! Great plumes of vapor everywhere!

I had each of them on the same type battery and held one in one hand and one in the other. I made many A-B comparisons between them, first one and then the other. Both vaped the same. I swapped the batteries and made a bunch more comparisons. Both vaped the same. I swapped hands with them and did some more. My left hand vapes each one just as well as my right hand. I got the two so mixed that I did not know which one was what. I had to look inside to identify them.

So, it appears that I cut a perfectly good wick out of a cartomizer that makes about as much sense as jumping out of a perfectly good airplane with a parachute. That's okay, I'm having fun, heheh.

Honestly folks. I'm trying to join the in crowd, but it doesn't look like I will ever be a Tea Bag Man.

 

[badkolo]

I agree wit that for I used old filler just to test and it worked and so on, so your right about that.
I did use one thing though that blew everything away, i cant show it for my brother stole it after testing it and is gone till tomorrow but he wanted a modded e2 but with his braided wick tubing form his old cartos, i had none to use since i gave away all my old cartos , so i chopped 2 of his old cartos open pulled out the hollow braided wick thing that sits over the atomizer. It is already the perfect size and shape. i then cut off the wicks on his e2 and added the wick tubing i showed a while back on the old thread and since its tubular it sits in position perfectly. i filled it up for him and it blew the house down, then he proceeded towards me and snatched it away from me and left. so ill show you guys later but its amazing.

 

[badkolo]

did you take your nap yet BR, maybe your eyes are playing tricks on you.

i personally see the same amount of vapor with both wicks or no wick but i feel i get more of a hit and vapor with the cut off wicks, i cant explain why but its the same way trying to explain 2 months ago how the e2 gives more vapor and i feel more nicotine with it, everyone said no way until they tried it and realized its true. not saying your wrong br becuase your right but i just feel the wickless system hit better for some strange reason.

I can tell with the wick when its about to go dry, i dont get that with the ptb. thats a better explanation

 

[v1John]

Which one runs out first? (although this could mean that it uses more liquid to produce more vapor, so this question doesn't count)

Which one takes more mls. at refill?

Which one is easier to dry burn? (for me the ptb, just slide them out and the coil is dry burned quickly)

Which one frequently has charred wick behind the cup? (not the ptb, if it ever charrs, I easily replace it)

Which one costs the factory more to make, the 1/4" long wick cartos withouthout a wick, or the cartos with 6" of half-misrouted wick?

 

[arjay55]

Just toying with the easier filling idea.

Idea 1 - Make one of the tiny filler hole larger so it can take the end of a pipette (or something similar). Cut the pipette further up so it fits over the nipple filling piece on your e-juice bottle. You could make a plug for the new hole out of a soft rubber tip piece (using a hole punch maybe?).

Idea 2 - As above make one filler hole bigger. Use the tube/straw idea that was touted earlier in this thread. Run it through the hole as a (semi) permanent thing having it start say, 1/4" above the base of the carto up to near the top of the carto where the rubber mouthpiece can seal it off.

I don't know if you have those aerosol cans that have a tube for getting into hard to reach places, but that's the type of thing I mean for a tube.

 

[badkolo]

if the leaks are fixed form the slits and they redesign the inner plug slightly it really isnt a hassle, to me it would be simpler then old cartos which if you filled form a dripper, bottle you would need to pause after 5 drops for it to soak in to the filler, using condom method is a mod and not the way they where intended, so comparing filling a e2 without the inner plug to a old carto i say the e2 wins, even if you drip from a bottle it slides right down the e2 and you dont nned to wait for filler to soak it up and if you use a needle the same applies, just squueze it in and its done.

the issue is the inner plug, its hard to put back and it has a tiny hole to fill directly from, so thats what needs to be fixed.

They can use the same inner plug but need to widen the center hole, and thin the inner band that sits around the cup so it can be replaced with ease and then figure out something for the hole to refill in. this way people can refill with a needle if they like or pull it out with ease ,refill and place it back with ease.

 

[v1John]

I wonder if you could have a cup with 4 slots ,
and the coil (without any wick) placed around the edge of the cup,
and instead of a silicone inner cap you have the wick there in the shape of an o-ring?
When the wick gunks up you simply replace the wick-ring

 

[br5495]

I would like to hear your results. Mine don't seem to leak with or without the PTB on a "seasoned", refilled carto. Other members have mentioned the same thing.

According to my observations, it appears that a seasoned carto has a crud build up in the slots that reduces the leakage. This is especially true if the filler ring has never been removed.

 

[v1John]

According to my observations, it appears that a seasoned carto has a crud build up in the slots that reduces the leakage. This is especially true if the filler ring has never been removed.

Wasn't this why they made the slots bigger, and to improve the flavor?

 

[badkolo]

NO, they made the slots bigger becuase someone told martinez to make them bigger since we where all complaining that the wick was being choked out by the first slit design
but we had no way of knowing how big they where going to make them.

No one told them to open them as much as they did, they did that on their own and should have thought it through first, now they need to be smaller but they should test closed slits with enough room for the wick.

so they should test a closed design with holes, a closed design with square notches and a open design like now but not as open

they should also test what zoid has been saying, the wick changes shape after its wet, it can flatten down or crush to one side.

 

[v1John]

The slots help reduce the vacuum pressure at the electrical wire holes in the back of the cup, that's what I'm thinking.
Seal the cup too awful much, and then the liquid could pour in therough the wire holes.
That's just a thought. I have not seen pictures of the wire holes on the ceramic cups.

 

[zoiDman]

According to my observations, it appears that a seasoned carto has a crud build up in the slots that reduces the leakage. This is especially true if the filler ring has never been removed.

I considered this.

But after I boiled a used carto it seems to be as clean as a new carto, minus some gunk on the wick at the coil.

I think the bigest factor in a carto leaking is a wick that lays flat in the slots. Perhaps it is the gunk in the slots or the seals swell up and get larger. I just know that leaking seems to become less or completely end as the carto gets older.

 

[br5495]

did you take your nap yet BR, maybe your eyes are playing tricks on you.

i personally see the same amount of vapor with both wicks or no wick but i feel i get more of a hit and vapor with the cut off wicks, i cant explain why but its the same way trying to explain 2 months ago how the e2 gives more vapor and i feel more nicotine with it, everyone said no way until they tried it and realized its true. not saying your wrong br becuase your right but i just feel the wickless system hit better for some strange reason.

I can tell with the wick when its about to go dry, i dont get that with the ptb. thats a better explanation

I didn't have time for a nap today, bad. I was puffing almost all day on those two 510's. I honestly could not tell the difference. Not by sight, sound, feel, or anything else. Right at first, the one with PTB was better and I thought I would have to eat crow, but after about 10 minutes they were exactly the same.

One of my other cartoz works so well that I do not taste a difference when the reservoir is about to run dry. I just know it is time to fill it when the vapor drops off.

 

[zoiDman]

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No one told them to open them as much as they did, they did that on their own and should have thought it through first, now they need to be smaller but they should test closed slits with enough room for the wick.

so they should test a closed design with holes, a closed design with square notches and a open design like now but not as open

they should also test what zoid has been saying, the wick changes shape after its wet, it can flatten down or crush to one side.

The long and the short of it is they should have a room full of 50 or 60 cartos with various geometry. Wide slots round wicks. Narrow slots with single strand wicks. Holes with round and flat wicks. Some filled with PG juice. Some with VG juice. some with PG:VG.

And then there should be a Monkey with a Red Shriner Hat sitting on a soap box vaping each one with everything from a 2.4v LS to a Double Barreled Shoutgun at 12v.

That's what R&D is.

BTW - Any idea when the R4 is supposed to get released to the ECF testers?

 

[badkolo]

R3 V2 is at the post office. R4 is being tested with a few different molds and will take a few weeks from what i was told.

 

[v1John]

BTW - Any idea when the R4 is supposed to get released to the ECF testers?

hahaha
I might have to buy the r4-test cartos at cov,
(Either that, or else wait in a long line, of planetary proportions?)


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j/k i can't wait for a few versions of the r4 to test

 

[BanjoMan]

hahaha
I might have to buy the r4-test cartos at cov,
(Either that, or else wait in a long line?)


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j/k i can't wait for a few varsions of the r4 to test

I'm going to hold out for the Shriner Monkey video from MicroCig. I love watching monkeys smoke.

 

[v1John]

too bad the testers don't post their videos and what not!




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post the video BanjoMan, if you get one please !

 

[BanjoMan]

I just finished a test with a new 510 XL. I removed the guts, pulled out the wicks, cut them off and replaced them with PTB wicks. I filled the carto with juice and tail piped it. WOW! Great plumes of vapor everywhere!

Then I took another new 510 XL out of the same box. I removed the guts, filled the carto with juice and tail piped it. WOW! Great plumes of vapor everywhere!

I had each of them on the same type battery and held one in one hand and one in the other. I made many A-B comparisons between them, first one and then the other. Both vaped the same. I swapped the batteries and made a bunch more comparisons. Both vaped the same. I swapped hands with them and did some more. My left hand vapes each one just as well as my right hand. I got the two so mixed that I did not know which one was what. I had to look inside to identify them.

So, it appears that I cut a perfectly good wick out of a cartomizer that makes about as much sense as jumping out of a perfectly good airplane with a parachute. That's okay, I'm having fun, heheh.

Honestly folks. I'm trying to join the in crowd, but it doesn't look like I will ever be a Tea Bag Man.

Just out of curiosity br, what voltage were you trying those at? At 3.7v (like a box mod), I can tell a big difference in the ones with PTB. A standard XL at that voltage has been a little too hot or harsh for me, but with the PTB the taste is amazing. I can literally vape myself silly and never get a dry throat.

 

[badkolo]

br i noticed after like 25 minutes of hard vaping gunk builds up of coarse but instead of going through a cleaning i simply use the old method of a sewing needle and just stab the coil area alot and it does the trick for a little while.