E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[PattyR]

so what voltage are you finding is the 'sweet spot'?

The sweet spot for E2's on my LS is at the lowest setting. I can't remember offhand what that voltage is, but I'm sure somebody here has a better memory than mine. At least I hope so. Everybody here has younger brain cells than I do - with the exception of BR, of course :->

 

[br5495]

The sweet spot for E2's on my LS is at the lowest setting. I can't remember offhand what that voltage is, but I'm sure somebody here has a better memory than mine. At least I hope so. Everybody here has younger brain cells than I do - with the exception of BR, of course :->

br knows that his juice tastes best between 2.5 and 3 volts. All E2's are not created equal and each one may have its own sweet spot.

 

[kwcharlie]

That’s the truth, VG and PG makes a big difference too. Maybe Monday I’ll have a buzz that will go below 3.5 and see how that works for VG. I’m doing OK with just using my 2.4 ohm E’2 running hot till they age.
Working with the Chuck’s with a 3.0 volt battery doesn’t help as much as I thought it would; don’t think those little batteries like giving all those amps up by themselves.
Does anyone find they are turning up the volts as they age their E'2?

 

[PattyR]

br, so what's with the change in hair-do? You looked much younger in the other one

 

[br5495]

br, so what's with the change in hair-do? You looked much younger in the other one

The other one was taken about 10 years ago, so I ain't that young no more. I figured that everybody would quit picking on me if I looked like the Wart Hog From Hell.

 

[kwcharlie]

tell them it's a Texas thing after loosing to the Cowboys br, get your respect buddy

 

[br5495]

tell them it's a Texas thing after loosing to the Cowboys br, get your respect buddy

Yeah, us Texicans has got to stick together.

 

[kwcharlie]

butch up that always helps, maybe i should look for something other than a children's cartoon character, na I've always been a Nellie, the Drillers haven't attacked me yet, just threatened to when i do something like putting the rig in the dark

 

[zoiDman]

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here is something we can discuss, silica as a wick, yes its used in 510 atomizers and others but its also in the e2.

now the owner of the GG mentioned silicosis which is lung disease from silica dust/powder, desert sand and silica debri.

now the wick is made from silica, i know its not in powdered form and i think it doesnt release gasses at the temps we use it but my question is, IS it safe for long term use since there is nothing written on silica being used as a wick. Obviously the same concern applies to filler in old cartos but thats not the issue here.

Next time you cut the wick off at cup slits, you might smooth the end of the wick with your fingers. Then examine your fingers with a good magnifying glass and some light. I think you will find hundreds of tiny e-Glass fibers on your fingers.

Silicosis isn’t just caused by e-Glass “powder”. Any form of e-Glass that can enter the lungs can cause Silicosis. Of course, a powder would be easier when air born. But larger filaments could easily enter the lungs if they were suspended in a liquid.

 

[v1John]

Does anyone find they are turning up the volts as they age their E'2?

I don't have manually variable voltage batteries (mine are the naturally variable voltage kind )

My batteries measure more volts when fully charged, but as the coil gunks up, I start to want a new carto unless I dry burn it.

Here's the thing I'm talking about, the carto I', vaping right now appears to be losing its steam just a little, I still get vapor, just not a ton of it. I have a battery on charge and it's full, so I took the carto and put it on the fully charged battery and now I see a ton of vapor, more like a ton and a half, but I can taste the gunk too now.

So should I just clean the coil and keep vaping? Or use the slightly higher voltage of the next battery ready, and smoke the gunk?

The other part of what I'm wondering is if with a variable knob, I can just use it to 'maintain' the same voltage under load as the battery's charge ages.
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If so, then doesn't it seem to be a need for better engineering, maybe with the coil, wick, juice, or a combination of them? Because to me it would be just as much of a pain to have to have a knob on the battery to keep attempting to chase the original loaded voltage and the carto functioning within its range as the battery loses it's voltage. It seems it would not be limited to knowing where the dial needs to point for a specific carto with a specific amount of gunk (lo gunk, med gunk, hi gunk), but also where the dial points seems like it would be a different mark as the battery charge goes from fresh, to average, to stale. Wouldn't it?

 

[kwcharlie]

the voltage adjustment has NOTHING to do with battery 'aging' it's about changing the squared relationship between the resistance of the atty and the amps (heat) to the what you are sucking on.
So does anyone else have experience with a adjusting the voltage (like the LS or other VV device) as the coil gunks up?

 

[v1John]

I know that it's about changing the swuared voltage divided by the resistance, as wattage applied to the vapor production, and I'm not tallking about battery age, but about the battery voltage, or the age of it's 'charge'. Do you set the dial higher when it's time to recharge them than when they're fresh off the charger?

 

[BanjoMan]

On the Little Sister the sweet spot for me using the standard 2.6 ohm 510's is right around 2.8v. With a 2.6 ohm XL 510 (w/ptb) I can run up to 3.7v without any burnt taste.

 

[v1John]

Oh, ok BanjoMan.
Well that's what I use, 3.7 volts, naturally variable (no burnt taste, unless it's past the time for the carto or its maintenance).



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I think the next confusion will be over the burnt taste moniker. I really don't taste anything burnt it seems, until I actually see enough gunk on a dirty coil, that's what I think. Are you saying you can can vape a ton of vapor out of a gunked coil and not taste it?
To me there is a difference between a dry wick taste and the burnt taste of gunk, that's probably what confuses me when so many different posters post about a burnt taste.

(It took me a long time to find 2 cartos with the hairspray, and still I don't think I have an issue with primer, until I learn the differences, I think primer is flavorless vg on cartos which may have been primed...dunno. That's the other taste confusion fo me)

(edit add: The confusion can be magnified and spread also, if people ask royal not to use glue, for example, I wonder if they take it to mean not to use the white glue, but the green putty (non-glue) is ok? Primer is not wanted, but the hairspray kind is ok? things like that)

 

[dynasty]

8 days on my first e2, still not dead yet, still rocking solid actually.

 

[v1John]

Well I finally sealed my manual batteries from them with aquarium silicone from the pet store



It says no disturbance for 24hrs and no water for 48hrs.

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dynasty, I don't think they can die, after a while I Bad-ptb modded one of mine, and it's still good, just gotta dry burn it almost every day, but it's so easy and quick without the wick.

As long as the coil doesn't break, I think it should last weeks or months, I hope the coil wick doesn't vanish either.

I dunno what could make them break either, so I try to be careful when I dry burn them orange, not to drop cold water in them suddnly and stuff like that.

 

[BanjoMan]

By "burnt taste", I mean a taste that is so harsh it makes you think your juice is being fried. So harsh that you can barely inhale it without choking. With PTB installed I can use a higher voltage and still maintain good flavor. The difference has to be the amount of juice wicking to the coil.

p.s. I get exactly THREE fillings before I have to clean mine. The wick under the coil gets tar black and has to be rinsed and dry burned twice to bring it back.

 

[trs-80]

Maybe the little tags that say mb and menthol and any other labels could have there Chinese equivalent so the factory workers who do not speak or read English well can do a better job. no more mbs that taste like menthol and menthols that taste like mb or something else.

 

[kwcharlie]

I know that it's about changing the swuared voltage divided by the resistance, as wattage applied to the vapor production, and I'm not tallking about battery age, but about the battery voltage, or the age of it's 'charge'. Do you set the dial higher when it's time to recharge them than when they're fresh off the charger?

I know, and that's what i was saying: a VV device has no relationship to the charge (or age) of the batteries, the difference isn't noticed until the VV STOPS working because the batteries got below the LCO of the Voltage Regulator.
If you haD EVER used a VV you would know adjusting it for battery age is IMPOSSABLE, it delivers the EXACT voltage you set at until, within a vap or two, it delivers 0. that's how everyone knew a "famous" PV reviewer never used the buzz he gave a so so review, he talked about adjusting the voltage as the batteries went down.

 

[v1John]

Ok, so it's regulated then, that's good, so that leaves the question of having to adjust it as the coil builds up gunk, do you need to do that?