ECF Newsletter - FDA Considering Ban on Online Ecig Sales

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Letitia

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Got the same email,
since most of my online equipment purchases are from China I'm not sure whether such a ban would affect me
unless Customs gets involved. But I was just thinking maybe an investment in flavoring would be wise.
I have nic and doubt they'd ban sales of VG/PG
They can't ban flavors without banning candy as well. Buying nic is my only concern, I'm not stocked up for life yet and have a very small freezer.
 

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They can't ban flavors without banning candy as well. Buying nic is my only concern, I'm not stocked up for life yet and have a very small freezer.

I'm not sure how they can, really. I haven't found a single federal law banning the sale of any tobacco online. The only laws about buying cigarettes for example, are state laws.

So one would assume (we all know what happens when we assume though), that they would have to ban all things containing nicotine. That means all tobacco products would have to be banned as well.
 

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They can't ban flavors without banning candy as well. Buying nic is my only concern, I'm not stocked up for life yet and have a very small freezer.
Not all flavors can be vaped. Some have ingredients that would wreak havoc on our lungs.
I did a little studying regarding flavors for the last vapocalypse scare
but I concentrated on natural flavors we could use (like vanilla bean pods, ginger roots, ETC.)
and readily available (at Walmart) cooking flavors, the latter being where I learned to read the small print ingredient list (which not all have n the label) lest I cough up a lung.

I concluded it would be good to have a stash of CAP, FA, and the like...
or get used to the taste of plain VG/PG.
I bought a 5CU Ft little freezer during the last scare and keep it full...
just big enough to hold 5 liters of 100mg/ml nicotine, a couple of gallons of frozen yogurt,
and about a pound of pipe bakky
 

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Lol, I made a post about this last month and all I got was "this isn't going to happen, you're just worry is all" and now look.plus I watched his press conference and he means all products, pods,mods,rda's,rta,rdta and juice none nic and there's talk about making it hard to buy vg/pg and nic and of course a couple people are going to say "NO WAY THEY CAN'T DO THAT!!!" Or the "I have all my stuff stocked up i don't care" well some of us a lot of us don't!!! Keep telling yourselves that they won't stop nic and vg sales because as we've learned it's the government they can do whatever they want too.all the "I quit smoking because of this flavor" signs won't do anything.jai haze is doing a live show and he had a great point.no pro vaping origination has done anything at all.we never even see them speck, no videos, pod cast, no new conferences nothing.we need to start doing something ourselves.we need to really start getting involved and we've keeping saying "ooooo they can't do that"for so long and now it's a month and I don't even know where to start.I'm going to start calling my state representative to start off with and I'm going to tell everyone i know to start e-mailing and calling them because that's the only way we're going to keep vaping alive guys.......US!!!!!!!!WE!!!!! I don't vape because it saved my life.when I smoked i couldn't breathe and now I can.God I don't know what I'd do without vaping, smoking isn't an option i guess just withdraw from it all.
 

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Not all flavors can be vaped. Some have ingredients that would wreak havoc on our lungs.
I did a little studying regarding flavors for the last vapocalypse scare
but I concentrated on natural flavors we could use (like vanilla bean pods, ginger roots, ETC.)
and readily available (at Walmart) cooking flavors, the latter being where I learned to read the small print ingredient list (which not all have n the label) lest I cough up a lung.

I concluded it would be good to have a stash of CAP, FA, and the like...
or get used to the taste of plain VG/PG.
I bought a 5CU Ft little freezer during the last scare and keep it full...
just big enough to hold 5 liters of 100mg/ml nicotine, a couple of gallons of frozen yogurt,
and about a pound of pipe bakky
Most of the flavors we use today are the flavors they adapt for making candy is what I've read. A few companies have gone a step further and worked with the FDA to change for our industry but if push comes to shove the flavors used in candy won't kill us. Either the FDA will not stop me or teenagers from vaping. They know that as well as we do.
 

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Lol, I made a post about this last month and all I got was "this isn't going to happen, you're just worry is all" and now look.plus I watched his press conference and he means all products, pods,mods,rda's,rta,rdta and juice none nic and there's talk about making it hard to buy vg/pg and nic and of course a couple people are going to say "NO WAY THEY CAN'T DO THAT!!!" Or the "I have all my stuff stocked up i don't care" well some of us a lot of us don't!!! Keep telling yourselves that they won't stop nic and vg sales because as we've learned it's the government they can do whatever they want too.all the "I quit smoking because of this flavor" signs won't do anything.jai haze is doing a live show and he had a great point.no pro vaping origination has done anything at all.we never even see them speck, no videos, pod cast, no new conferences nothing.we need to start doing something ourselves.we need to really start getting involved and we've keeping saying "ooooo they can't do that"for so long and now it's a month and I don't even know where to start.I'm going to start calling my state representative to start off with and I'm going to tell everyone i know to start e-mailing and calling them because that's the only way we're going to keep vaping alive guys.......US!!!!!!!!WE!!!!! I don't vape because it saved my life.when I smoked i couldn't breathe and now I can.God I don't know what I'd do without vaping, smoking isn't an option i guess just withdraw from it all.
Check your inventory and start stocking. That's our only hope sadly
 

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Most of the flavors we use today are the flavors they adapt for making candy is what I've read. A few companies have gone a step further and worked with the FDA to change for our industry but if push comes to shove the flavors used in candy won't kill us. Either the FDA will not stop me or teenagers from vaping. They know that as well as we do.
Agreed, but considering that we as vapers can't get folks to agree with all kinds of stuff among ourselves
I'd hate to have to argue with some know it all about which flavor might kill me
or further damage my already damaged lungs.

Indeed, most of the flavors we use are derived from cooking flavoring and perfume making
but many of those flavors, when sold for cooking purposes, contain emulsifiers you wouldn't wanna inhale
and/or sugars you don't want on your coils.

You've noticed I'm sure that not everyone reads the small print..some don't read at all.
Remember, T-T-Ahh, you're one of the smart cookies.. (Capiche?)

Darn right! The FDA, DEA, FBI and all the other alphabits will not stop us on the road to freedom.
 

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Most of the flavors we use today are the flavors they adapt for making candy is what I've read. A few companies have gone a step further and worked with the FDA to change for our industry but if push comes to shove the flavors used in candy won't kill us. Either the FDA will not stop me or teenagers from vaping. They know that as well as we do.
So if this all goes down we can vape those flavors of need be?
 
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Lol, I made a post about this last month and all I got was "this isn't going to happen, you're just worry is all" and now look.plus I watched his press conference and he means all products, pods,mods,rda's,rta,rdta and juice none nic and there's talk about making it hard to buy vg/pg and nic and of course a couple people are going to say "NO WAY THEY CAN'T DO THAT!!!" Or the "I have all my stuff stocked up i don't care" well some of us a lot of us don't!!! Keep telling yourselves that they won't stop nic and vg sales because as we've learned it's the government they can do whatever they want too.all the "I quit smoking because of this flavor" signs won't do anything.jai haze is doing a live show and he had a great point.no pro vaping origination has done anything at all.we never even see them speck, no videos, pod cast, no new conferences nothing.we need to start doing something ourselves.we need to really start getting involved and we've keeping saying "ooooo they can't do that"for so long and now it's a month and I don't even know where to start.I'm going to start calling my state representative to start off with and I'm going to tell everyone i know to start e-mailing and calling them because that's the only way we're going to keep vaping alive guys.......US!!!!!!!!WE!!!!! I don't vape because it saved my life.when I smoked i couldn't breathe and now I can.God I don't know what I'd do without vaping, smoking isn't an option i guess just withdraw from it all.

He can say whatever he wants but he can't do whatever he wants. He cannot ban anything, only make a recommendation that is up to law makers to decide upon. Sure they could ban nic base, atomizers and APV's. They can't ban mech mods, unless they plan on banning flashlights. They can't ban batteries, again unless they ban flashlights and quite a few other things.

Flavoring is used in food making so that will stay. VG and PG are both used in many things from on the farm to food making as well, so nope cannot be banned. Well I guess they could but then we'd have to get farmers to buy a license to have products for their animals, as well as bakeries, soap makers, lotion makers, massage parlors and on and on.

So the only thing with limited use is nicotine base, that's it. That would be the only thing they can limit/ban, but they'd have to shut down online tobacco sales since they contain nicotine. We could just go to a B&M and but nic base or juices. If they outlaw nicotine (they can't and won't) then not only is vape gear gone, so is tobacco of any type (unless they can get away with what naturally occurs in the plant).

In short they have no legal ground to stand on with much of vaping supplies. This would be tied up in lawsuits for years before anything could/would take effect. Now if it were any other administration, I might say differently. This administration in no way will cut off so much small business by outlawing non-poisonous, over the counter, daily use products. They can't afford it and neither can the US economy. Like I said before, it's the same stuff that creeps up all the time in the firearms industry.
 

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It as my understanding, I'm more then likely wrong about it because i don't diy but flavored that you buy from the stores has like alcohol or something in it so we can't vape it right guys?or am in wrong?
Some are safe but many are not. Many of our diy flavors have alcohol. Our flavors are the same commercial juice vendors use to mix with.
 

Letitia

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He can say whatever he wants but he can't do whatever he wants. He cannot ban anything, only make a recommendation that is up to law makers to decide upon. Sure they could ban nic base, atomizers and APV's. They can't ban mech mods, unless they plan on banning flashlights. They can't ban batteries, again unless they ban flashlights and quite a few other things.

Flavoring is used in food making so that will stay. VG and PG are both used in many things from on the farm to food making as well, so nope cannot be banned. Well I guess they could but then we'd have to get farmers to buy a license to have products for their animals, as well as bakeries, soap makers, lotion makers, massage parlors and on and on.

So the only thing with limited use is nicotine base, that's it. That would be the only thing they can limit/ban, but they'd have to shut down online tobacco sales since they contain nicotine. We could just go to a B&M and but nic base or juices. If they outlaw nicotine (they can't and won't) then not only is vape gear gone, so is tobacco of any type (unless they can get away with what naturally occurs in the plant).

In short they have no legal ground to stand on with much of vaping supplies. This would be tied up in lawsuits for years before anything could/would take effect. Now if it were any other administration, I might say differently. This administration in no way will cut off so much small business by outlawing non-poisonous, over the counter, daily use products. They can't afford it and neither can the US economy. Like I said before, it's the same stuff that creeps up all the time in the firearms industry.
I believe you are probably right but I'm still stocking up on nic in case the price skyrockets.
 

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He can say whatever he wants but he can't do whatever he wants. He cannot ban anything, only make a recommendation that is up to law makers to decide upon. Sure they could ban nic base, atomizers and APV's. They can't ban mech mods, unless they plan on banning flashlights. They can't ban batteries, again unless they ban flashlights and quite a few other things.

Flavoring is used in food making so that will stay. VG and PG are both used in many things from on the farm to food making as well, so nope cannot be banned. Well I guess they could but then we'd have to get farmers to buy a license to have products for their animals, as well as bakeries, soap makers, lotion makers, massage parlors and on and on.

So the only thing with limited use is nicotine base, that's it. That would be the only thing they can limit/ban, but they'd have to shut down online tobacco sales since they contain nicotine. We could just go to a B&M and but nic base or juices. If they outlaw nicotine (they can't and won't) then not only is vape gear gone, so is tobacco of any type (unless they can get away with what naturally occurs in the plant).

In short they have no legal ground to stand on with much of vaping supplies. This would be tied up in lawsuits for years before anything could/would take effect. Now if it were any other administration, I might say differently. This administration in no way will cut off so much small business by outlawing non-poisonous, over the counter, daily use products. They can't afford it and neither can the US economy. Like I said before, it's the same stuff that creeps up all the time in the firearms industry.
LoLook back they already ban vaping years ago lol.I can find the link but you can look it up.they just started allowing it and it became the norm.Congress and the house already voted and gave the fda the rights to kill wherever they want i kinda thought everyone that's been vaping for years knew this.we can't keep on saying "but but but they can't do this"because they are.
 
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