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Ah, Phil's video was pleasing vindication, not so much for confirmation of the iStick's use of Vavg (mis)calibration rather than Vrms---that was obvious to anyone with enough experience with PWM to know the difference---but because he was downright dumbfounded that eleaf would choose Vavg two years after mean voltage had been discredited within the vaping community. Since then, pretty much every VV/VW APV manufacturer that uses PWM has switched to Vrms. It just doesn't pass the sniff test that eLeaf didn't know that.
I expressed pretty much the same surprised disbelief in post #1366 of this thread back on September 28th, after three days of using my iStick.
Phil's conflict in giving the iStick an overall Thumbs Down is easily understandable. I feel the same way: I love my iStick and use it every day, but eLeaf's and joyetech's efforts to obfuscate the problem aggravate me enough that I won't buy another iStick unless eLeaf re-programs the chips to use Vrms in Version 2.
I realize, of course, that my protest is meaningless to eLeaf, but Phil's might not be.
I expressed pretty much the same surprised disbelief in post #1366 of this thread back on September 28th, after three days of using my iStick.
Phil's conflict in giving the iStick an overall Thumbs Down is easily understandable. I feel the same way: I love my iStick and use it every day, but eLeaf's and joyetech's efforts to obfuscate the problem aggravate me enough that I won't buy another iStick unless eLeaf re-programs the chips to use Vrms in Version 2.
I realize, of course, that my protest is meaningless to eLeaf, but Phil's might not be.
it is some Happy Vaping -Shuffling Nautilus Minis & K'1 glasso Aspire BVC's on my sticks with excellent satisfaction. I have been running them considerably less hot than u indicated & I will add that i just cranked 1 Nautilus mini bvc 1.8 & 1 K1 also 1.8 up to 15w on 2 separate sticks- both crackled and hit impressively with great clean flavor & no burnt hint. I must also note to u that the maxout setting for the Mini was 15.1w and 15.9w for the k1 respectively. Rest assured- Excellent setup- Great vapes on both!
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I keep mine set in VW mode and haven't had a burnt hit with any of my stock kanger coils - 2.2 and 1.8 ohm. Depending on the juice, I am mostly running at 7.5-8.0 watts. Forgetting what flavor, but one I like at 11w.
The only thing I get a rattlesnake with is the 3.0 cartos. I kinda liked the sound. *shrugs*
I'm a happy vaper here. Just refilled my Aerotank with Sweet Cherry Bomb (MVB, 6mg, 80%PG/ 20%VG)
The only thing I get a rattlesnake with is the 3.0 cartos. I kinda liked the sound. *shrugs*
I'm a happy vaper here. Just refilled my Aerotank with Sweet Cherry Bomb (MVB, 6mg, 80%PG/ 20%VG)
Can you just cancel your order and make a new order with the better price?
My theory is that they had old leftover chips that were too outdated to sell anymore. IOW they're using Mean because it's cheaper to use chips that would have gone in the trash otherwise.
Was anybody else surprised that the Istick battery was a 18650 ? Due to the sticks size I thought it would be a 16650. My V2 improvements wish list would be a spring pin and a internal replaceable battery with on board charging.
Just watched Phil's review. Wonder if he'd have been more satisfied if he knew to hit the arrow button again while it was auto-scrolling to accelerate it. And I noticed that delay as well. I think it is so you can hit the button quick to get the display up without firing it. The "stopwatch" doesn't start without that little pause. I wonder if there's a small program bug where it never fires after the pause, the "phanthom hit syndrome" some of us get once or twice a day.
It's hard for me to relate to the mean vs rms thing. I understand it somewhat when it refers to guitar amps. (I might be wrong with this, but peak watts vs rms watts. I ignore the claims of peak, the important value is RMS). Having said that, it doesn't mater to me in the vape. This is my first var wattage device, and first with a readout. With my Halo VV twist, I just turn it up or down. With this, I'm sorta doing the same thing. I haven't learned what wattage I like yet. With 4 new 510 tanks of various resistances and coil designs (bvc, bdc, the 30s thing).
For me, the numbers are like the volume number on my TV. I don't know what the number represents, nor do I care. And I'm not upset if the Sony is right at 11 and the Samsung is too loud at 11.
Of course, this will all change if I got a provari or other accurate device.
But for me, it's a great inexpensive step up from a VV twist into my first trip into VW digital.
I really like this thing.
It's hard for me to relate to the mean vs rms thing. I understand it somewhat when it refers to guitar amps. (I might be wrong with this, but peak watts vs rms watts. I ignore the claims of peak, the important value is RMS). Having said that, it doesn't mater to me in the vape. This is my first var wattage device, and first with a readout. With my Halo VV twist, I just turn it up or down. With this, I'm sorta doing the same thing. I haven't learned what wattage I like yet. With 4 new 510 tanks of various resistances and coil designs (bvc, bdc, the 30s thing).
For me, the numbers are like the volume number on my TV. I don't know what the number represents, nor do I care. And I'm not upset if the Sony is right at 11 and the Samsung is too loud at 11.
Of course, this will all change if I got a provari or other accurate device.
But for me, it's a great inexpensive step up from a VV twist into my first trip into VW digital.
I really like this thing.
Dave, really glad you posted this. I'm in exactly the same boat. I have three Kamry X6 batteries that are variable voltage on three settings. Sometimes I really wonder if these batteries are outputting what they should be. So, at least with an istick I'll have a much larger range to play with and I'll have a display showing me something. I won't have much to compare to because my current "TV" in your analogy doesn't show me volume at all. It's like I've got a TV remote where the volume button says Low, Medium or High.....and I just have to trust that is what I am getting.
The post you were responding to was referencing Alababi.com, not Alibaba.com. Totally different animal.
That's about right - once per day for me. You might be on to something.
That about sums it up. Even the Vavg naysayers here might agree (myself included).
It's 10pm and I'm on day 2 with mine after about 7ml for the past 2 days. That's even with a 2.7ohm coil firing at 3 inflated "Eleaf volts".
Well mine finally turned up .
I'm quite impressed with it's size and functionality. Much easier to carry around 2 of these for work instead of 2 MVPs.
As others have mentioned I've had to turn the watts down a bit. The Protanks on the MVP or SVD I'd usually ran at 8.5w but have had to drop down to 8 and the Nautilus Mini with BVC I usually run at 11w on the MVP but I'm running one juice at 8.5w and another at 9w.
I'll play around with the wattage on the Mini's a bit as they seem to require increased wattage as they burn in.
.I'm quite impressed with it's size and functionality. Much easier to carry around 2 of these for work instead of 2 MVPs.
As others have mentioned I've had to turn the watts down a bit. The Protanks on the MVP or SVD I'd usually ran at 8.5w but have had to drop down to 8 and the Nautilus Mini with BVC I usually run at 11w on the MVP but I'm running one juice at 8.5w and another at 9w.
I'll play around with the wattage on the Mini's a bit as they seem to require increased wattage as they burn in.
This is, by far, the biggest problem. The eLeaf has a serious flaw that needs to be addressed, but when confronted directly about it, they still claim that it is untrue. They did this in a thread on Reddit where Joyetech specifically asked for feedback on the device and how to make improvements with the version 2.0.
The response directly from Joyetech....
Despite Phil's "thumbs down," I think he really likes it, too. He could hardly stop vaping it. And I understand and concur with his thumbs down.
But I bet he will be using it.
A lot.
But I bet he will be using it.
A lot.
I think it's been mentioned on the thread at least once before. Why is Phil the first reviewer who has mentioned (if not noticed) the iStick is "firing hot"? This just proves that most vaping reviews are worth exactly what we pay for them. Perhaps a case of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you?
I am really enjoying my iStick and look forward to v2. In time for Christmas?
I am really enjoying my iStick and look forward to v2. In time for Christmas?
I think it's been mentioned on the thread at least once before. Why is Phil the first reviewer who has mentioned (if not noticed) the iStick is "firing hot"? This just proves that most vaping reviews are worth exactly what we pay for them. Perhaps a case of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you?
I am really enjoying my iStick and look forward to v2. In time for Christmas?
Maybe because for some of us, it doesn't matter. It works. If it's hot, turn it down.
I'd like it to be accurate, and conform to the other devices. But bottom line, in 5 months when I get iStick v.2 and set it to 8 watts, it will give me the same vape as this one at 7.something.
I'm not sure what Joyetech's stake is in this. I think they're just distributers, perhaps exclusive. In other words... I don't think they have anything to do with the engineering and technical side of it (yes? no? I'm just guessing). But yes, you'd think they would understand that "mean" voltage output was a bit archaic and it really couldn't be defended these days.
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