Electronic ciggarettes are not what you think
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It's been my experience in 17 yrs of forums that when a persons 1st post is one like the OP presented here, chances are extremely high it wasn't done with good intentions & chances are higher than extreme that the OP wont return.....they never do.
Anyway, today I met a dual user. She was with her mom & her mom seemed extremely interested in electronic cigarettes. While she & I were talking, her daughter kept interjecting "they dont work!" The mother was trying her best to ignore her daughter (I was too) & by the time we finished talking she said she learned a new word & she was going to "get herself a vaporizer!"
Now the daughter, from what I was able to get out of her.....ecigs dont work cause she didnt want it to work. Her purpose for vaping is for when she's not able to smoke & given the choice she'd choose a cigarette over an ecig all day every day.
It might not be how she started out though. It sounds to me that when she went to vaping, she expected an experience that was easy peasy and expected to never want another cigarette again.
Otherwise, why would she say "They don't work" specifically, the word work implies she expected one particular experience, was hoping for that experience yet got something quite different.
I think from reading most people who quit - or many people who quit anyway - we make it sound so easy. We often don't stress the fact they will still have withdrawals, that they still have to desire to quit smoking. Willpower over an addiction is still very important.
A light mention about it taking two weeks to quit smoking entirely (in my case anyway), doesn't always give the listener new to vaping an idea of just how difficult those two weeks can be.
For us, we were definitely able to use vaping to quit entirely but a lot of that came from us, inside of us and within our own desire to quit. Sometimes after some time we don't remember exactly how bad some of those times were when we wanted a cigarette and had to vape through it.. as for us those times are long past.
Someone who thinks they will pick up some vaping gear and never desire another cigarette and never have a withdrawal symptom one, will be shocked and disappointed when that is not how it goes, and declare vaping a complete failure.
I'll be honest, to hear most of us talk about it, myself at times included, it's terribly easy. If I had come to this forum prior to quitting and heard some of our stories I would have expected a different experience than I had. I keep reminding myself of that, to try and keep it more real for people I talk to.
Better to prepare them for worst case scenario and have it not apply to them.. than for them to be unprepared to deal with the worst if it does happen.
It's what I got from what your saying she said it doesn't work. It's simply possible she was expecting this romanticized version of quitting and didn't get it hence, "It doesn't work"
But, it's awesome that you got to share the love today! It's great to be able to do that! I know it always is nice to know you possibly saved someone's life.. And vaping is just that for so many people - lifesaving!
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I think this is true with any addiction/dependence whatever. The addict HAS to WANT to. Thats why drug interdiction so often fails. If the person doesnt "want it themselves" then nothing will work.
Simply picking up an ecig, when you dont really want to quit smoking, will not work for the average smoker......
You have to WANT to quit, badly..........
Indeed. The desire for change has to come from within which is why court mandated
rehab programs rarely work. As a former anti-drug peer counselor I lost count of how many
people pace through a program only to end up right where they started, looking for a fix.
There's a lot to be said about codependence also...but I'll leave it out lest
I wade into barracuda infested waters..
I survived throat cancer, I was seen by two separate oncologists, both told me vaping does not cause cancer. I asked if I could keep on vaping and they both told me yes, I could keep on vaping even during my treatments and I did. Bottom line, vaping has saved my life, I don't need anyone to advise me on vaping, thank you very much.
Now on to something productive.
Now on to something productive.
Seems you are extremely lucky.Nicotine is prohibited for somebody who is already under cancer treatment.
Nicotine: Carcinogenicity and Effects on Response to Cancer Treatment – A Review
" Although more studies on health effects of nicotine in humans are required, based on in vitro and in vivo effects of nicotine, patients should be advised not to use nicotine products during cancer treatment unless it is temporarily needed to stop tobacco smoking.
Sounds like a troll to me
I would agree with you except that recommendation is based on nicotine use with cigarettes, pipes, or other combustible forms of delivery.
Whether nicotine in itself has any effects, negative or positive on the growth of cancer is still under study.
So, since my opinion has been removed....
Welcome OP I hope you can be re-educated on e-cigarette. I hope you aren't associated with the FDA or BT but if you are maybe you could learn and try to educate others about how good they are and have been. Learn how many lives have been saved from the evils of tobacco. Learn how many Grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles, cousins and so on are still here to this day because they have taken the steps of harm reduction. For most here, e-cigs were the only chance for people to quit smoking. Learn... and share.
Welcome OP I hope you can be re-educated on e-cigarette. I hope you aren't associated with the FDA or BT but if you are maybe you could learn and try to educate others about how good they are and have been. Learn how many lives have been saved from the evils of tobacco. Learn how many Grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles, cousins and so on are still here to this day because they have taken the steps of harm reduction. For most here, e-cigs were the only chance for people to quit smoking. Learn... and share.
The OP was a member.
With all of the posts being deleted, I was surprised that the OP's post was not. After all, it was rude to say it in the manner he did.
Most people lurk before they join. They do that to get a sense of the place. It is an act of manners. Knowingly going into a place where so many positive attitudes and experiences, and immediately being offensive in tone...
As to closing posts, it seems there is a balance issue here.
I hope all us vapers have manners to the polite and uniformed...until they are rude. Then a bouncer needs to be called. Seems we did not have a balanced one in this case.
If the the OP was corrected as so many others were, then I am uniformed, so please have manners.
I read the OP and if there was a desire for information, it was clouded over.
A good movie to watch, if better understanding was wanted.
A good movie to watch, if better understanding was wanted.
Or do a little research. Google can be your friend but since you didn't feel like using it let me drop a little information here for you. It will help you become a little more educated on the subject.
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I noted this thread was the OP's first post..so I'm still wondering why it's outside the new members section or whether the rules were changed.
In any case, I agree with you that the reaction to his post was considerably rude.
I think the OP was more enthusiastic than rude though.
While all those studies are true in my experience, they don't negate that nicotine is indeed addictive.
I appreciate all the good things nicotine does
but I know it's addictive and refuse to bury my head in the sand about that.
On average only 1 mg per cigarette is consumed.
No, I am not confusing it.
EDIT: It is a common misconception that vaping automatically leads to decrease in nicotine consumption. But anyway nicotine is of a secondary concern. Like alcohol in manageable quantities: it even could be good for some of us.
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