So lemme get this straight
you knew of a clean room NOT following proper procedures and looked the other way?....yet youre demanding vendors step up their testing, labeling and QC processes?
Ever heard of the saying
..Glass Houses
..?
I am friends with a Pharmacist who owns a Pharmacy. You have no idea of the stringent controls that are in place within these companies that process and package the Food Grade/ USP PG and VG.
There was a case when XXXXX got a bad batch with a miniscule portion of ethylene in it from a Chinese supplier. That amount wasn't considered dangerous, but the FDA caught it (good thing) and now uses it as a propaganda tool..
You have no idea of how business is conducted in China. In the last year+ over 50 China based companies (RTOs) have been delisted from the Nyse and Naz for falsifying revenue, holdings, etc. Because most of the BOD reside in China theres really nothing that can be done in regards to lawsuits, court imposed penalties, etc. Some of these companies had Mkt Caps in excess of 5- 10 billion $$ and up. Try and find a legit company in China based on research
Under Chinese law, it is illegal to remove audit work papers from China for national security reasons. = Chinese Govt supports this policy of non disclosure. Sour grapes
no the last RTO I bought @$8 and sold at $20..last pps was 2 cents before it was delisted from ALL exchanges.
In regards to Patent Infringement and Trademarks its normal biz practice to ignore this section of the law in China. My sis sold Power Stations all throughout the world and she told me she dreaded whenever she had to close a deal in China. I buy U.S. manufactured juice because I know the standards here are high enuff for my liking. No China bashing- just telling it like it is and Im sure there are many legit China based companies but based on the overall track record I choose to purchase U.S. made
.am still a loyal HealthCabin customer though. The above relates to a certain standard or lack thereof in the area of ethics.
As for mixing in a Lab I run a non- profit vaping prog. Originally I mixed all juices at home under the cleanest and rigorous of conditions. When the amounts became far too overwhelming a Benefactor stepped up to the plate with a friend who owned a Lab and offered to do it for free. I observe the mixing and can tell you its worlds apart from my meager setup at home
impossible to replicate and I do see the definite advantage of Lab produced juice as EVERYTHING is tested. This procedure also removes a large portion of the liability assumed by myself and the Non Profit.
Regardless as to how the Vendors handle this issue regulation will happen- not if but when.
Very familiar with the glass house saying! I'm a hypocrite! I'm not demanding anything, I'm not saying I want governmental regulation. I'm saying that some people have concerns about juice facilities, and I think they are legitimate concerns. I'm just suggesting possible routes that some companies could take on their own to ease those fears. If this wasn't an issue at all, there would be no push for the juice standards organization. Some people care, I don't personally, but I do care for my fellow vapers and the future of vaping as a whole.
As far as the naughty cleanroom: I was a Temp worker there, I had zero authority. As I said, everyone was aware of the issue. It wasn't lazy employees, it was shady management. These weren't food products, the clean room was there to avoid damage to small and sensitive components from dust and debris. I'll just come out and say it, they were producing Stainless Steel cylinders and bubblers for Dow Chemical. The type of thing used for storing, transporting, and mixing their various chemicals.
The valves on these pieces could be easily damaged if any dust or debris got into them, and the inside of the tanks had to be spotless, hence they had to be in the clean room until they were completely sealed. Except they weren't, and again this was management's orders, not just lazy employees. Some stuff we made for Intel was supposed to be completely assembled, and then double bagged with cleanroom grade plastic bags, all within the clean room as to avoid dirt or debris getting into the parts. They had a folding picnic table set up outside the clean room which the parts were assembled and bagged on. When I asked why the work order was not being followed, and the parts were outside the cleanroom, I was told it was too much of a hassle to send them through the cleanroom and to stop asking questions.
They were a shady company. Not only because of their lack of concern for following proper procedure, but the way they treated employees. What do you suppose I should have done? If I went to the customers and told them, I'd be sued for violating my nondisclosure agreement. It was pointless to tell management, or the owner, as it was THEM making the choice to do this.
After awhile of me taking issue with their policy, I was laid off. Then I was brought back a few months later at the request of a few people there who were sick of my replacement screwing up. A bit later on a customer had a faulty product sent to them, and I was laid off again because of it, even though the faulty part was a result of the company's violation of procedure, nothing to do with me. Not sure how I could have damaged a part I never touched or even laid eyes on.
I also worked for an electronics recycling company that would send tons and tons of primary and rechargeable lithium ion, lead acid, all sorts of batteries straight through a huge industrial shredder. No caution was taken, just toss them in by the pallet load. Batteries caught on fire in the shredder, the entire place smelled of burning chemicals, and we were told it was safe. They also had a mercury spill they had employees cleaning up with paper towels and no gloves.
This was another place I was sent to work for while with a temp agency. I walked out, told the temp agency about the dangerous working environment at the plant, and was then fired by the temp agency for walking out on a job, evidently they would have preferred I stay inside a building full of burning lithium ion, lead acid, etc batteries.
Does that paint a clearer pictures of the issue? Or am I still a bad guy because I'm (possibly) violating the NDA by explaining the situation to you?
I'm not even one of the people that cares strongly about having juice made in a cleanroom, or having chemists on property, or anything like that. I'm personally very comfortable with how things currently work. I'm bringing up these issues because there are many people who DO care, and care quite strongly about such things. I think they have a valid point, even if it's not one I agree with personally, that's all.
I agree that buying US juice is good practice for the simple fact you actually have a course of action if you get poisoned, unlike in China. I mentioned this exact issue a few posts back.
The only reason I used Dekang as an example is because I didn't want to be seen as "calling out" any US based juice manufactures. And I wasn't very clear on what I meant by business practice. What I meant was that Dekang is relatively large, and they at least try to present the image of being a professional company that takes their job seriously. Releasing promo footage of a nice factory with stainless steel tanks and conicals all over, even if it's complete BS, at least shows they are trying to appear "legit"
Being proud of one's facilities and employees enough to show them off for the world to see is good thing, and reflects positively on the company and vaping in general. Just like what started this entire thread, the OP wanted to know what juice makers gave information, showed images/vid/etc of their facilities. If a company is making juice in a relatively clean area with obvious safety precautions they should be thrilled with the idea of showing this to everyone. If they keep their juice mixing lab a secret some people might wonder why.
