FDA issues notice of intent to propose "deeming" regulation by April of 2013 for e-cigarettes and other tobacco products

[Plumes.91]

This sucks because I cannot afford to buy even 1 liter of 100mg nicotine, forget 5 for the next 25 years or so. I'm screwed? All I can see doing is hoping that big tobacco will buy out some of our favorite juice vendors? Hopefully Johnsons creek will stay afloat? Like, I have no idea what to do to prepare because I simply do NOT have the funds to stock pile.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

Great idea Ethebull, and a great post to the FDA too.

Much success to You !

 

[Vocalek]

This sucks because I cannot afford to buy even 1 liter of 100mg nicotine, forget 5 for the next 25 years or so. I'm screwed? All I can see doing is hoping that big tobacco will buy out some of our favorite juice vendors? Hopefully Johnsons creek will stay afloat? Like, I have no idea what to do to prepare because I simply do NOT have the funds to stock pile.

That's a good bet, because Johnson Creek is supplying the liquid for blu ecigs. Johnson Creek already has a lab that is FDA registered so it makes more sense for large companies to buy from JC rather than start up their own e-liquid business.

If the FDA does suck the e-cigarette industry into their clutches, they might try to ban any e-cigarette that wasn't being sold in the US prior to Feb. 15, 2007. So if you are using something more modern like an eGo, 510, KR808, etc., you might want to stock up on batteries and atomizers, just in case.

 

[markdm4805]

Another thing too along those lines, if you have never been into mods maybe kr808's or 510's have been all you needed. I would consider purchasing at least one mod and some RBA. I only have the Ego T and a 510 cigalike both are what I would call a sealed battery i.e. when they wont charge anymore you throw em away. With most mods and E Cigs with removable batteries you can find replacements outside of the vaping communities if necessary. I personally am not into rebuildables but if things get bad and you have some RBA's you can fairly easily find the materials you need to rebuild em. Just my though YMMV.

 

[Plumes.91]

yes that has been what I have been thinking as well. rebuildables are going to be important. If juice is still sold outside of cartos then at least we have a fighting chance to have a good vape. If rebuildables are basically banned, we're all going to be in for a world of hurt. No more vivi nova tanks, no more eGo style clearomizers in US shops. I DON'T want to go into an era where we will only be able to find prefilled cartomizers. If that happened I'd have to plug those cartos into my mods.. But I don't want to have to do that. I don't want to be STUCK vaping ONE company's juice. I don't want a monopoly on juices or vaporizers. I don't want to be forced into using prefilled cartomizers. I mean people are going to fail if this happens. People are going to go back to smoking. I don't want everyone thats gotten situated with vaping to end up dying of lung cancer like everyone in my family has. I won't be able to stock up enough nicotine to make my own juice far into the future.. But I will try my best to stock up on rebuildable atomizers and big battery devices that are simple to fix.

The BOLT is one device that I consider a very good type of device to stock up on. I just bought a silver bullet and hopefully that will be similar to the bolt as far as insides and ease of fixing should the wires pop. So mechanical or simple mods are definitely at the top of my list. Another thing I'm thinking is 510 battery connections. Not the adapters, the connections that you can use to create a new mod. There are plans for making new mods all over the internet, but you cannot make a 510 mod without the 510 battery connections. Another thing I'd say might be important to you is the variable voltage chips for modding. You may want to stock up on those, just like the 510 connections.. have enough that you will be able to build more variable voltage mods into the distant future. And then last but not least would be rebuildables. Things like the vivi nova tanks- Stock up on the tanks, but also stock up on the heads and DON'T throw them away. You can rebuild the heads with wire and string far into the future. Rebuildable dripping atomizers as well. Especially if you cannot afford to buy variable voltage chips. If these regulations pass and we are stuck with high resistance atomizers, rebuildable dripping atomizers will come in VERY handy considering you'll be able to wrap LOW resistance coils for use on unregulated mods far into the future.

With juice, I've got no idea whats going to happen. I'm really scared of the juice regulating. My favorite shops are all at risk of losing their main income. I don't want to see all of our favorite juice vendors filing for bankruptcy and losing their lives and their livelihoods. I don't want to be forced into using one or two company's juices and I dont want to be forced into using prefilled cartomizers so I'm bugging out.

 

[DC2]

I thought the Lorillard letter was especially interesting (obviously they want to protect their investment, but I liked that overall it was on par with our message in general), particularly the part about the FDA misleading consumers about the dangers/efficacy of ecigs.

Yeah, I read the Lorillard comments especially closely, looking for clues of any obvious attempts to screw us.
I was pleasantly surprised to find none, and maybe even saw a bit of support of what we want.

From a logical standpoint, though, it doesn't seem to make sense that they would be entirely in our corner.
But at least I didn't see signs of them throwing us under the bus yet.

 

[Plumes.91]

If Lorillard fights along-side us to keep our small business juice vendors in business and keep our advanced PVs legal for sale within the united states, I will be the FIRST one to say that I will be a HUGE supporter of Lorillard. I will do everything in my power to advertize Blu E-cigarettes to new vapers both in life and here on the forums. If Lorillard is going to be our friend through this, I am going to be Lorillard's best salesman. I truly hope that they are on our side. We all just want to save ourselves and our loved ones from dying of cancer. Five of my close relatives have died of cancer from smoking cigarettes. Including my father. I was 8 years old. The only memories I have of my father is disappointing him because I was so young when he died, my only memories are the ones that effected my emotional field. I want my father back. I don't want them to take away these e-cigarettes from us. I don't want them to take away the way WE vaporize nicotine. I know for a fact that if they took away our large assortment of flavored juices, our e-cigarette mods, our tank systems, I KNOW for a FACT that many of us would be unable to stick with vaping and many of us would end up getting ill or mortally ill from tobacco use.

That is why this is not a joke. This is personal to me.

 

[StereoDreamer]

If anyone thinks that new FDA restrictions won't lead to AGGRESSIVE prosecution by the FDA to harass, raid and shut down anyone they think is breaking any new rules they put out, they are insane.

The FDA and USDA have used ARMED RAIDS to shut down raw milk producers they didn't like. Yes, FDA goons with AR-15s and DRAWN PISTOLS, shouting, handcuffing shop owners and seizure/destruction of inventory. Real "jack-booted thug" tactics.

USDA purchased over 300,000 rounds of ammo in 2012.
The FDA has an armed "enforcement division" and has bought around 200,000 rounds of ammo.

Of the 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammo bought by civilian law-enforcement divisions of the Federal Government, how much of that is for "fighting wars" and how much is for the American People? Well, domestic, civilian LE can't fight wars, or have jurisdiction outside the US--so DO THE MATH...

This is not just a matter of whether you will be able to get the juice you want in 6 months people--we are looking at the potential for what would amount to an ALL OUT Federal Law Enforcement WAR on vapers and vape vendors.

We're not talking about citations and fines--we are talking about ARMED RAIDS, seizure of property, inventory and bank accounts. We're not talking about a polite knock on the door and a summons being served--we're talking about vapers and vendors being treated by the FDA like they are big-league drug dealers.

If you think this is alarmist, you might want to talk to the folks at Rawesome Foods...

Police Raid Organic Raw Milk Co-op, Guns Drawn (Video) : TreeHugger

The Rawesome Raid and the Controversy Over Raw Milk - Forbes

Timeline of FDA raids on raw milk farmers, dietary supplement makers and natural medicine practitioners

 

[Plumes.91]

Finally someone that understands! I too have been involved with products and companies that suddenly found themselves under attack from the FDA. This is a very serious situation for our juice vendors and I honestly find myself shocked that not one juice vendor has chimed in here as far as I can tell? Where are all of the business owners that are about to lose their entire business? Where are you guys??? The post above this one is SERIOUS. THIS IS WHAT WILL POTENTIALLY HAPPEN if we allow it to go through.

 

[zapped]

I doubt rebuildables will come that much under fire. They will remarket them under another name kinda like the "water filtration systems" that have been sold door to door and various head shops.

Its the juice Im the most worried about.FDA certification could end up driving the prices so high no one but the richest among us could afford them.

 

[Tail11]

Quoting Kristin ...
Big Pharma and its paid shills like the ALA, ACS and CFTFK lobbying,
are the enemy ... NOT "Big Tobacco".

Sorry, but I don't recognize those acronyms, can you spell it out please?

 

[Petrodus]

If anyone thinks that new FDA restrictions won't lead to AGGRESSIVE prosecution by the FDA to harass, raid and shut down anyone they think is breaking any new rules they put out, they are insane.........

StereoDreamer
Rest assured there are some of us who know the Ugly Truth
about the FDA. We don't often share what we know on
the ECF because it just opens a can of worms that most
can't or don't want to deal with.

In America today ... If you try to expose the real truth
about the government and its agencies ... You’re branded
as some kind of UN-patriotic radical conspiracy theorist.

 

[Tail11]

StereoDreamer
Rest assured there are some of us who know the Ugly Truth
about the FDA. We don't often share what we know on
the ECF because it just opens a can of worms that most
can't or don't want to deal with.

In America today ... If you try to expose the real truth
about the government and its agencies ... You’re branded
as some kind of UN-patriotic radical conspiracy theorist.

Sometimes the sheep need to be awakened when there is a wolf around. Should we consider writing to our congressmen?

 

[Fiamma]

Its the juice Im the most worried about.FDA certification could end up driving the prices so high no one but the richest among us could afford them.

I would be more worried about low nic level and non refillable carts as the only items for purchase than them driving up the prices. I do not think they will allow us to continue juice as it has been. The want to CONTROL it not just make it less affordable. That could be the future for anyone who hasn't learned to DIY.

 

[Petrodus]

Sometimes the sheep need to be awakened when there is a wolf around. Should we consider writing to our congressmen?

Good Luck !!

 

[ethebull]

Sometimes the sheep need to be awakened when there is a wolf around. Should we consider writing to our congressmen?

Everyone write them! Yes! Absolutely!! And your Senator too.

 

[Petrodus]

Want to watch an elected official break out in a sweat,
shake like a leaf on a tree, and crap their pants?

Insist they oppose the FDA on any issue.

 

[ethebull]

Here's some help pages on writing to your Congressional rep

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/letterscongress.htm

http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm...s://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

I wrote Congressman Van Hollen -

Greetings Honorable Representative Van Hollen,

In April 2013, the FDA will propose a deeming regulation for electronic cigarettes and other tobacco products. Their website offers a public comment period and I have posted my input there. Please read what I wrote to them. -

"I would like to share my experience using e-cigarettes for the last few months.

I have been a smoker since age 19. I turned 53 in September. I would smoke between one half to a full pack a day. I tried to quit many times, cold turkey, using nic gum, substituting Snus, and always had a difficult time. Twice I successfully quit and got off the substitute, staying cig and nic free for about a year each time. I found I missed nicotine constantly, and the urge to smoke again was very difficult to resist. Eventually I would fall off the wagon. My mood and sense of well being takes a downward curve when I can't satisfy my craving for nicotine.

In late October 2012, I received my first e-cigarette starter kit. I unpacked it, charged the batteries, and gave it a try that afternoon. I have not had a cigarette since and I have not experienced the same difficulty and strong urge to fall off the wagon. Nic gum and Snus were far less effective in satisfying my cravings. With an e-cig, I get the pleasure of "vaping" with flavor and satisfaction.

I have always been physically active and in decent fitness throughout my 50+ years. Still, I have noticed a marked improvement in my cardio strength and overall sense of health since "switching" to e-cigarettes.

I would be crushed if this product were to suddenly be taken away from me. I have read much material about their potential for short or long term health issues and I am very comfortable having made the substitution. Cigarettes are a far far worse choice, and if e-cigs are banned, I would be back to smoking.

Thank you for listening,

Erik (comment # 1jx-82x1-9012 )"

I converse daily with tens of thousands of former smokers on e-cigarette-forum.com who have had similar success using e-cigarettes.

I fear the large pharmaceutical companies, selling nicotine gum and patches at obscene profits, will do every thing in their power to crush e-cigarette trade. I ask that you do some homework on the topic and stand on the side of folks like myself.

I appreciate your attention on this matter.

Erik #^^$@@&

 

[Petrodus]

Quoting Kristin ...
Big Pharma and its paid shills like the ALA, ACS and CFTFK lobbying,
are the enemy ... NOT "Big Tobacco".

Sorry, but I don't recognize those acronyms, can you spell it out please?

ALA: American Lung Association
ACS: American Cancer Society
CFTFK: Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

 

[Technonut]

This sucks because I cannot afford to buy even 1 liter of 100mg nicotine, forget 5 for the next 25 years or so. I'm screwed? All I can see doing is hoping that big tobacco will buy out some of our favorite juice vendors? Hopefully Johnsons creek will stay afloat? Like, I have no idea what to do to prepare because I simply do NOT have the funds to stock pile.

All I can say is be creative, and try to raise the funds to purchase 1 litre of nic at a time, as often as you can. Where would you get the $8.75 a day you used to spend on nails? I live in one of the States which has the highest rate of smokers, and is also one of the poorest States in the nation. I look around me, and see that these poor folk always manage to buy nails....

I've seen this coming for awhile, and personally have been buying / freezing 1 litre glass bottles of 48mg nic for around $68.00 a litre shipped. I have a few good RBA's, and mechanical mods to use them with if (when) my VV mods crap-out. Gallons of PG are as close as my local Tractor Supply for around $25.00 a gallon, and the nic I buy has choices of PG / VG ratio. (I get the 50/50)

I commend the activists attempting to stop the coming storm, but there are not enough vapers in the USA to create enough of an impact to prevent the coming FDA regulations IMHO. One thing I have learned in my close to 50 years in this country.... They (The Government agencies) will do exactly as they please. From what I understand, there are only two large labs in the USA which extract the bulk nic. A stroke of the pen will stop the flow to anyone who does not have whatever permits and FDA approved equipment which will more than likely be required.