FDA Sued Over Electronic Cigarette Embargo
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My E-Cig is made out of metal and plastic. If used with No=Nic liquid where is the tobacco connection?
So they would fall under the same import regulations? What are the regulations on the importation of tobacco products from China?
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My E-Cig is made out of metal and plastic. If used with No=Nic liquid where is the tobacco connection?
So they would fall under the same import regulations? What are the regulations on the importation of tobacco products from China?
Rookie--good point--but look at the oppositons rebutal--Is your gun no longer a gun just because you but blanks in it? See how they twist things. But I do see your point and agree.-----Sun
this is my point, too. I think they should be arguing the electronic cigarette as a vaporizing device or even a substitute smoking device and the cartridges completely separately.[/i]
My E-Cig is made out of metal and plastic. If used with No=Nic liquid where is the tobacco connection?
So they would fall under the same import regulations? What are the regulations on the importation of tobacco products from China?
I guess if the nicotine is derived from tobacco, then this would be a tobacco-derived product. . . but just the cartridge liquid. The actual e-cig should be treated separately.
I just don't see how stating this is in any way related to tobacco (if it's actually not) is helpful in light of the Waxman bill that may be passed.
Even if the Waxman bill passes the senate as written, it still has to be signed by Obama, who can line item veto & is a casual smoker.
Cheer up people- the draconian bush/era is over!
Cheer up people- the draconian bush/era is over!
It's my understanding that (frustratingly) Obama is a supporter of the Waxman bill.
A rebuttal to your rebuttal...
What does a gun with blanks do? It's a toy, a novelty device, and changes its entire makeup.....
Just because it still looks like a gun, the bullets are what matter.
Soooooo - just because it looks like a cigarette, what you put in it is what matters.... and if I choose to put PV, VG, and flavorings in it, which are all GRAS - why should the FDA tell me I can't? I've known vegans with weirder diets......
I agree with some of the others here - the device and the liquid should be separated
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Then the lawsuit will fall under any grandfather clauses and the regulation of e-cigs will fall under current law, locking the FDA out of e-cig regulation authority.
It's a win-win situation.
they can tax anything,
& if they think it's a sin then they will tax it even more.
But they might just charge you a "user fee",
& require tamper-proof puff-counters be installed thereupon-
never underestimate your multiple layers of govt.!!!
& if they think it's a sin then they will tax it even more.
But they might just charge you a "user fee",
& require tamper-proof puff-counters be installed thereupon-
never underestimate your multiple layers of govt.!!!
I'd have to agree - I was told by our friendly neighborhood UPS customs broker that the reason our 510 shipment was held was because the 510 came packaged with a 5pk of NICOTINE cartridges. Without it, it's just batteries and metal coils...
Of course, that's what he SAID and it was far from an endorsement by UPS so YMMV...
Of course, that's what he SAID and it was far from an endorsement by UPS so YMMV...
I had a thought on this, kinda cheesy, but what if we as ecig users post a 45-60 second vid on youtube; introducing ourselves, our struggles to quit smoking, and your feelings on the FDA trying to take this away from us. Of course we should strive to avoid anything that could cast ecig' smokers in a bad light. Just include your own personal feelings, no FDA name calling, theories on why they are doing it, and most of all....No threats.
The youtube video could then be compiled, torrented, burnt, Make the video popular. Send the video to various politicians so they understand that there is a great number of people whom this would affect, SE could use it in their suite I guess, though I dont see where it would figure in.
Most importantly, it would show those still not familiar with the ecig that the ecig is a wonderful device and not the new age crack pipe that the FDA is trying to make it out to be.
Like I said, short videos, 45-60 seconds, keep it clean, and we need to post the video with a keyword that is going to be unique to ecig users, making the videos easier to find for all.
The youtube video could then be compiled, torrented, burnt, Make the video popular. Send the video to various politicians so they understand that there is a great number of people whom this would affect, SE could use it in their suite I guess, though I dont see where it would figure in.
Most importantly, it would show those still not familiar with the ecig that the ecig is a wonderful device and not the new age crack pipe that the FDA is trying to make it out to be.
Like I said, short videos, 45-60 seconds, keep it clean, and we need to post the video with a keyword that is going to be unique to ecig users, making the videos easier to find for all.
Uh, how many units ya got on FDA hold Webby?
Don't answer if you don't want to-
it's just that Kate & I have this bet going.........
Oh, & btw have you retained legal counsel with regards to dealing w/FDA?
Don't answer if you don't want to-
it's just that Kate & I have this bet going.........
Oh, & btw have you retained legal counsel with regards to dealing w/FDA?
Hmmm...is twenty two considered "a lot" ?
Actually, one of our partners is an atty but he quit eating kittens a few years ago so I don't know if he's in good standing with the legal community. The password seems to be "general liability insurance"
Until there is a law passed (which doesn't seem far off) they are still in limbo...
Actually, one of our partners is an atty but he quit eating kittens a few years ago so I don't know if he's in good standing with the legal community. The password seems to be "general liability insurance"
Until there is a law passed (which doesn't seem far off) they are still in limbo...
Vicks--So do I, I am just saying what the FDA's argument will be. But SE does not sell anything but prefilled cartridges nor do they sell their kits without nicotine cartridges--so they used poor planning in trying to market the device to begin with.
If I have said it once, I have said it at least 30 times thoughout the months---the starter kits should have all been sold with no-nicotine cartridges and if you want nicotine--then that should have been a seperate and distiinct sale. -----Sun
Hey Rev
igetcha and Lacey have something similar in mind:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-has-ecig-impacted-your-life.html#post231823
came about from this thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning/13288-eca-disclosed-5.html#post228427
Emp
igetcha and Lacey have something similar in mind:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-has-ecig-impacted-your-life.html#post231823
came about from this thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning/13288-eca-disclosed-5.html#post228427
Emp
Personally I think this is a great idea and exactly what is needed. Anyone want to volunteer as an organizer/administrator? Someone who can come up with some good guidelines, and knows youtube well enough to tell us how to tag/label our videos so they all come up as a group on youtube.
Maybe even some tips on creating a youtube video with a webcam or something easy (since most laptops have one built in these days).
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