FDA Takes On Mayonnaise

[Bad Ninja]

Ninja,

The point I was trying to make is this:
"Mayonnaise" is a protected term. In order to call something Mayonnaise, the recipe has to fit particular parameters.
Not that long ago, the FDA allowed manufacturers to sell "Light Mayonnaise", which allows them to deviate from the recipe
by using a lower fat/calorie recipe. (Before that, Kraft came out with "Imitation Mayonnaise", which today could have been called "Lite Mayonnaise".
It was delicious, but the product failed because of the name).

To the best of my knowledge, "Mayo" is not a protected term. I have never seen a bottle of real mayonnaise that was called "Mayo" anything.

The "Mayo" in "Mayo clinic" is a person's last name, not a "protected Term".
Your original reference doesn't apply to this discussion, which was my point.

Again, misleading consumers with product names and descriptions isn't honest.

On topic:
If they simply call it Vegan "spread" or "dressing" and this becomes a non issue, however it would be a tougher "sell" to a new customer, which is why they call it vegan mayonnaise.

I agree with the FDA on this.

 

[englishmick]

I DIY.
My flavors are mixed with PG. They are food flavorings.
The FDA cannot and will not label all food flavorings as tobacco products.

Again, better learn to DIY unless you are good with paying crazy taxes.

I make my own too. And I have enough nic to last until I'm 90. Interesting to note that the flavoring companies, at least the ones I use, never mention vaping, even when they talk about removing diketones from their recipes. It would be hard to prove that was their purpose, since non-vapers presumably buy them as well for other purposes.

Incidentally, I don't care either way about the mayonnaise deal. I only brought it up to point out the tactics the egg and mayo industries were using to crush this terrible threat to their revenue stream. Getting the FDA to do their dirty work. Bribing internet commentators to help form opinion. I particularly liked the jokes about hiring hit men.

There is literally a US government conspiracy against vegan mayo

 

[Bad Ninja]

Incidentally, I don't care either way about the mayonnaise deal. I only brought it up to point out the tactics the egg and mayo industries were using to crush this terrible threat to their revenue stream. Getting the FDA to do their dirty work. Bribing internet commentators to help form opinion.

Have you ever tasted Vegan Mayo?
Ewwww.
I can assure you it is no threat to mayonnaise profits..maybe to the edible caulk market ....lol
It tastes nothing like mayo, feels nothing like mayo, smells nothing like mayo...it's not mayo.

The consumers who actually use Vegan Mayo will not use real mayonnaise and vice-versa.

 

[stevegmu]

It is purposefully deceptive to call vegan mayo mayo...

 

[Jman8]

I remember a roommate one time got chicken nuggets that had no chicken/meat in them. That strikes me as even more deceptive and far less tasty than the real thing.

 

[classwife]

I don't want to know what chicken nuggets are.

Nope.

 

[ClintS]

"Mayonnaise" is a protected term. In order to call something Mayonnaise, the recipe has to fit particular parameters.

It is neither trademarked nor copyrighted. The word mayonnaise has been in use since the early 1800s long before the FDA existed. The FDA defined the ingredients of "mayonnaise" in 1957 for their own purposes and recently revised their definition, but as yet they have yet to define "mayo"!

Follow the money to government (the FDA) and you'll know who the culprit over this naming convention really is! Very similar to how the FDA originally wanted (or still wants) to consolidate all e-cigarette products under their "tobacco products" definitions - not just e-juice with nicotine.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I don't want to know what chicken nuggets are.

Nope.

"Pieces-parts".

 

[AndriaD]

Last time I checked the fda is after juice with nicotine.


They are flat out misrepresenting the product by using misleading labeling and wording. It is not mayo.

Your protank is a nicotine delivery device, no different then a pipe filled with tobacco. Since 90% if not more of our nicotine is in fact tobacco based, it is fair to label the devices as delivery systems.


Everyone seems to be missing the couple of positive stories lately about officials finally starting to defend vaping, june has come and gone yet the mountains of evidence keeps delaying the supposed bans until they analyze the data.

I hope the company gets burned, while I appreciate a healthier alternative to some products I cant stand false or misleading claims, shamwow anyone?

So... that would mean that cola is a "coffee product"? Or tea is a "coffee product"? Or Red Bull is a "coffee product"? Or Mtn Dew is a "coffee product"?

Just because something contains a substance that comes from "something"... does NOT make it a "something-product".

Andria

 

[Cacique]

@ Mayo being a protected term. That just sounds silly, it's mayo, just food, not even food you need to survive.

Again, all you have to do is actually look at the jar to know it's not real mayo. The FDA is just doing the dirty work of the egg and mayo industries like was posted above. No one here would probably know what Just Mayo was if it wasn't for the egg and mayo industries throwing a tantrum.

Haven't seen anyone that you can't call turkey bacon that, when it's not real bacon.

 

[Thrasher]

So... that would mean that cola is a "coffee product"? Or tea is a "coffee product"? Or Red Bull is a "coffee product"? Or Mtn Dew is a "coffee product"?

Just because something contains a substance that comes from "something"... does NOT make it a "something-product".

Andria

Last time I checked coffee beans arent the only source of caffeine.

Most sodas use synthetically created caffeine. While 90% if not more nicotine is extracted from plant based material, that plant happens to be tobacco.


Please check facts before arguing to argue. Walk down the street with a pocket full of something made from something else grown in Colorado, after you get arrested, check you paperwork and see what they classify it as, even though it no longer contains the original plant material..........

 

[rico942]

Just because something contains a substance that comes from "something"... does NOT make it a "something-product".

Andria

The FDA must have incorporated the "Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon" into their charter ...

 

[stevegmu]

"Pieces-parts".

"Our sampling shows that some commercially available chicken nuggets are actually fat nuggets," he tells The Salt. "Their name is a misnomer," he and his colleagues write. The nuggets they looked at were only 50 percent meat — at best. The rest? Fat, blood vessels, nerve, connective tissue and ground bone — the latter, by the way, is stuff that usually ends up in dog food.


What's In That Chicken Nugget? Maybe You Don't Want To Know : The Salt : NPR

 

[stevegmu]

Last time I checked coffee beans arent the only source of caffeine.

Most sodas use synthetically created caffeine. While 90% if not more nicotine is extracted from plant based material, that plant happens to be tobacco.


Please check facts before arguing to argue. Walk down the street with a pocket full of something made from something else grown in Colorado, after you get arrested, check you paperwork and see what they classify it as, even though it no longer contains the original plant material..........

Most sodas use caffeine derived from the kola nut. A lot of energy drinks use synthetic caffeine...

 

[Kprthevapr]

 

[WereBear]

While we are sort of on the subject of misrepresentation, has anyone here thought about the blatant lie that is cigarettes? A cigarette by definition is "A thin cylinder of finely cut tobacco rolled in paper for smoking." (emphasis my own)
So why are they even allowed to call analogs cigarettes when they have 4,000 other ingredients?

This may seem like a moot point to post on a board where most of us have quit entirely, but I have this running theory (based on anecdotal evidence, of course) that we would not be seeing the cancer rate skyrocket if we had actually been smoking pure tobacco this whole time.

If anyone here has ever smoked fresh pure tobacco rolled for any length of time (filtered or not) you probably know the difference.

When I switched from box cigs to fresh cut I felt better.

Having switched from fresh cut to vaping I feel glorious.

P.S. Those ready to roll packs from the convenience store don't count.

TL;DR - To heck with the FDA

In actuality most cigarettes aren't filled with tobacco at all. The are filled with shredded paper that was soaked in a tobacco tea. That lets them control the nic level and add all those nasty chemicals like ammonia.

 

[stevegmu]

In actuality most cigarettes aren't filled with tobacco at all. The are filled with shredded paper that was soaked in a tobacco tea. That lets them control the nic level and add all those nasty chemicals like ammonia.

That's not really true. The tobacco leaves and stems are processed into a paper like substance. They aren't mixed with paper......

 

[crxess]

upon in a civilized society.[/QUOTE]

Product simply has to be marketed in an open honest manor -
Vegan Mayo

On topic:
If they simply call it Vegan "spread" or "dressing" and this becomes a non issue, however it would be a tougher "sell" to a new customer, which is why they call it vegan mayonnaise.

I agree with the FDA on this.

Yea, give them an inch:
CFR - Code of Federal Regulations Title 21

Seriously, Who made them recipe judges?
You know at some level money had to change hands for food products to have mandated ingredients.

 

[RobbyRocket]

Cigarettes are gross to me ever since I stopped. I personally much prefer hand-rolled little cigars or pipe tobacco, it tastes a lot more natural, not chemically taste at all in my opinion, although cigars and pipe tobacco can seem strong to someone who is used to cigarettes. Cigarettes are a bit of an aberration in that they are meant to be inhaled deeply, whereas all the gentlemen who smoked cigars and pipes in the 19th century retrohaled (meaning taking the smoke in your mouth and pushing it our your nose without inhaling into the lungs). Call me a purist, but I am really getting into enjoying the occasional good cigar along with vaping. I'll never go back to cigarettes.

 

[David Wolf]

I think this Pretty Much Nails it.

BTW - I like this Better than Mayonnaise.

Get that nasty stuff away from me. lol Bring on the real stuff