FDA to propose rule on ecigarettes Monday 4-28-2014

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Flavored e-juice might tempt children ..can't have that !!
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But Vodka is OK :censored:
 
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If nicotine were synthesized at an affordable cost or even derived form vegetables and the government really wanted to go after vaping, then nicotine itself would be regulated.

It would actually make sense to regulate pure nicotine (I imagine it already falls under some sort of regulation), but not as a 'tobacco product'; just based on toxicity; not because of tobacco.
 
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Everything I have read concerning synthetic nicotine has shown it to be expensive. I imagine the government would then regulate it as a dru.....
I am actually surprised one can buy gallons of 100 mg nicotine. That will change...

Yes, I suppose there is no limit to what the Feds could try to regulate.
Not that anyone needs very high strength nicotine, but I think a regulation that could drive people back to cigarettes should be stopped.
 

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Flavored e-juice might tempt children ..can't have that !!
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But Vodka is OK :censored:

They sell erectile dysfunction meds in gummy bears so never have really gotten why politicians complain about gummy bear ejuice. :rolleyes: Then again, they used to but now just call it flavored ejuice.
 
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Wow, first i have heard of any of this. Smoked for 20 years. Tried every cessation method. Vaping is the one and only method to work for me. Cig free for 8 months. I dont cough up chunks all morning like i used to. I dont stink. Im more productive at work. I dont pollute those close to me with second hand smoke.

This is ridiculous. Vaping has been a godsend.
 

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I would actually make sense to regulate pure nicotine (I imagine it already falls under some sort of regulation), but not as a 'tobacco product'; just based on toxicity; not because of tobacco.

The FDA regulation will come as a result of it being a tobacco product. Nicotine will be further regulated by other agencies once enough calls to the poison control center come through... I am surprised the Poison Prevention Packaging Act hasn't been used to require child safety caps yet...
 

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Yes, I suppose there is no limit to what the Feds could try to regulate.
Not that anyone needs very high strength nicotine, but I think a regulation that could drive people back to cigarettes should be stopped.

I think those who DIY generally buy drums of 100 mg nic...
I really don't think DIY or pre-made e-liquid over 36 mg should be sold. Once enough calls to poison control centers become publicized, because little Johnny drank nom's 100mg DIY supply, the hammer will come down...
 

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Why? 100mg nic for diy is no worse than 1000's of household chemicals that are not banned and should not be banned...its called common sense

I think those who DIY generally buy drums of 100 mg nic...
I really don't think DIY or pre-made e-liquid over 36 mg should be sold. Once enough calls to poison control centers become publicized, because little Johnny drank nom's 100mg DIY supply, the hammer will come down...
 

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Why? 100mg nic for diy is no worse than 1000's of household chemicals that are not banned and should not be banned...its called common sense

Really? i thought it was deadly, the way some of the DIYers talk about ventilation, gloves, not getting any on skin...
Either way, most people these days don't seem to have common sense. I don't want them to ruin it for me...
 

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I mix 100mg liquid quite often. It is not going to drop you in your tracks. I have spilled it on my hands and washed it off with no problems. Of course I wouldn't bathe in it but there is a lot of hype that is being overblown. If you take proper precautions and learn to dilute it properly then it is quite easy to work with. Of course you have to be a responsible adult and keep it away from children and pets. Therein lies the problem, we have to find responsible adults. Nowadays most people seem to have to be told what they can do, what they should like, who they should vote for, all without a single bit of research on their own. I think a lot of the stickeys we read constantly on the subject is because so few people have any common sense anymore.
 

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I think those who DIY generally buy drums of 100 mg nic...
I really don't think DIY or pre-made e-liquid over 36 mg should be sold. Once enough calls to poison control centers become publicized, because little Johnny drank nom's 100mg DIY supply, the hammer will come down...

It should come down on mom, not the millions of vapers and hundreds of vendors.

On another note, I completely, totally, and 100% understand where all the concern comes from. I share the same at times....but more on a broad notion, too much government power (not specifically related to this issue). However, I do feel that sometimes there is fear being perpetuated (possibly and likely unintentionally) on this and other pro-vaping sites. It is a scary notion FOR SURE, but there are so many people who are basically perpetuating the idea that yep the FDA and BT/BP is going to win, we are all going to say goodbye to our health and precious vaping implements and liquids. I think there is no precedence for this ATM anyway. I mean, is it not true that the FDA already tried to ban e-Cigs and failed...and didn't fail in a huge drawn out long legal battle. From what I have read, it was pretty simple...not enough evidence that eCiigs were harmful in the slightest bit and that more research needed to be done and in as much as "they" have been doing research so too have we as well as independent scientific studies are being conducted.

We all have to remember that the FDA is NOT the administration and that contrary to popular belief (and the way it legitimately seems sometimes) there is due process of government that is still respected and appreciated by a majority of the bureaucrats). I am not saying they can be trusted, but what I am saying is that I think we are giving way too much credit and are fortune telling too much and it is leading people (especially those who are vapers and are not involved in the movement so to speak) to become skiddish and start to question the movement. i.e. If these vapers are thinking it is all going to go away, them maybe they are right.

We also have to recognize and remember that this is a GRASSROOTS movement dealing with the unknown (at least to the uninformed) and that they usually start off slowly but end (or continue) like a snowball. The FDA isn't dumb...they know what they are dealing with, they know we are gaining in numbers and support, not just from users but from doctors, scientists, lawyers, politicians (yes, there are some...more than you probably think). They also know what they are hiding and what they are leaving out in their studies. They WANT and feel the NEED to be in control and are admittedly throwing the big guns at this thing, but I think personally that is a good sign that they are scared - they are scared they do not have enough which means they know we can gain the upper hand easily. I personally think with the numbers of new vapers every day...the success stories, the lack of any (real) scientific evidence towards eCigs being bad at all we will see a positive outcome, perhaps not full and unencumbered freedom but I don't think it will turn out as disastrous as some think.
I mean it is sort of like they have a certain mark that is acceptable to them but are aiming way past the mark so that after the dust settles they will have gotten at least as close to their acceptable mark as possible.

Positive thought, actions, and talk are extremely important in times of unknown and tribulation so the best thing we can do is try to stay positive, stay supportive of each other and of those who are trying their hardest to go directly head to head with these fools. Remain respectable, post and share your successes, communicate with your representative en masse and evangelize analog smokers at every turn. We do this and we will be too large to fail!

I did not intend this to be a flame against anyone who shares any opinions but have simply been wanting to share these particular thoughts I have been having and observations.

Mike
 

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No that is all blown out of proportion.... I have been mixing with 100mg for over 2 years...no hazmat suit needed and you can get it on your skin without negative side effects....now pure nic which is 1000mg that is for the pros to work with

Really? i thought it was deadly, the way some of the DIYers talk about ventilation, gloves, not getting any on skin...
Either way, most people these days don't seem to have common sense. I don't want them to ruin it for me...
 

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Appears that perhaps TVECA was blowing smoke.

This from the FDA:
A Special Statement from CTP – April 18, 2014

The FDA has not issued its proposed rule regarding what additional tobacco products should be regulated by the agency. We are aware that the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association has indicated publicly that they have a copy of our proposal. The proposal is still in draft form and under review. As a matter of policy, the FDA does not share draft rules with outside groups while a rule is still under review.

A Special Statement from CTP – April 18, 2014

Thanks Jake. Paigekoontz should get in here and edit the OP and Header on this thread. I was wondering why nothing from CASAA on this. Good to see there are more professional and cooler heads.

Edit: I don't know why there's underlining on some words in my post. I didn't underline anything. Just noticed it on some other posts now. Anyone else see the faint underling? or is something going on with my browser?
 
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