FDA to spend $9.5 million to develop new “reference” cigarettes, issues RFA

[Bill Godshall]

Instead of researching the impact of e-cigs on consumers (virtually all of whom were/are smokers), FDA to spend $9.5 million to develop new “reference” cigarettes, issues RFA
RFA-FD-14-001: Cigarette Tobacco Reference Products Program (UC2)

The purpose of this appears to be to help cigarette companies develop MRTP cigarettes.

The only thing stupider than FDA spending lots of money to develop more cigarettes is the agency proposing the "deeming" regulation on e-cigs, which would ban their sales.

 

[supertrunker]

Are there not enough 'reference' cigarettes already in existence that people have been smoking for the last 100 years?

T

 

[stevegmu]

One has to understand the US federal government is a charity to those who have connections.

 

[Tmartin63]

Wow, really? Why don't they just say cigarettes are the number cause of death in the world and make them illegal. Then make that amount of funding available to manufacturers of PVs, so that research and development of higher quality, lower cost devices are available. When does this madness come to an end?

 

[Petrodus]

The only thing stupider than FDA spending lots of money to develop more cigarettes
is the agency proposing the "deeming" regulation on e-cigs, which would ban their sales.

 

[Uma]

This is confusing to the layman like me. Are they paying their engineers to create an ecig, that will then be classified as thee ecig to judge all others by... Or are they paying their regulatory scientists to vape them all until they find one that produces the least satisfaction, to become the model standard, or are they inventing one the big Pharma can then sell as the one and only specimen, ... I read too much into their roundabout phrases, to get their jist.
Would anybody care to clarify in simple FDA for dummies words? I'd appreciate it.

 

[AgentAnia]

This is confusing to the layman like me. Are they paying their engineers to create an ecig, that will then be classified as thee ecig to judge all others by... Or are they paying their regulatory scientists to vape them all until they find one that produces the least satisfaction, to become the model standard, or are they inventing one the big Pharma can then sell as the one and only specimen, ... I read too much into their roundabout phrases, to get their jist.
Would anybody care to clarify in simple FDA for dummies words? I'd appreciate it.

Haven't read the entire RFA (cause I don't want to spoil the rest of today...) but a quick scan and search for certain words tells me that this RFA deals *only* with tobacco cigarettes, and not ecigs.

 

[Uma]

Haven't read the entire RFA (cause I don't want to spoil the rest of today...) but a quick scan and search for certain words tells me that this RFA deals *only* with tobacco cigarettes, and not ecigs.

Ok. I saw a page the other day where the FDA approved 2 new cigarettes for tobacco... One low tar, high nic... The other one oh sheesh, I forgot already... And they turned down 4 of their other ones because they were too different from what they have been selling in the past. It was a news thing.

Off to take a Sunday afternoon walk.

Aha! Here it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162...w-cigarettes-to-market-after-historic-review/
New additives ok

This one shares, if you want to keep menthol, you got 30 days to speak up. http://cir.ca/news/fda-approves-new-cigarettes

 

[Vocalek]

Does the FDA honestly believe that the reason cigarettes cause so much disease and early death centers around inaccurate measurements of various chemicals in unburned cigarettes?

 

[WorksForMe]

I tried to read this, but I just kept thinking that these people have way to much time on their hands. No wonder this country has such a high budget deficit.

J.R.

 

[Nermal]

I skimmed the link and have yet to learn the purpose of whatever a reference cigarette might be. Still, at only 9.5 million, does it really need a purpose?

 

[stevegmu]

It isn't meant to be understood, but to give money to 'friendlies' who live off of the government- like the $325000 robotic squirrel.

 

[Racehorse]

Posted in WRONG TOPIC, sorry

 

[stevegmu]

I don't see anything referencing e-nic or electronic cigarettes-

1. Obtain reference product: Obtain cigarettes representative of an American blended cigarette. Product should be manufactured in one batch (i.e., one manufacturing run). The reference tobacco product should be acquired to allow for distribution over multiple years. In obtaining the reference products, the applicant must comply with all applicable laws.

2. Characterization (physical and chemical properties): A well designed cigarette tobacco reference product would be characterized for at least the properties listed below. A certificate of analysis listing these measurements, including uncertainties associated with the measurements, found in the cigarette tobacco reference product should accompany the product.

a) Tobacco blend

b) HPHCs in smoke under ISO and Canadian Intense smoking regimens (Acetaldehyde; Acrolein; Acrylonitrile; 4-Aminobiphenyl; 1-Aminonaphthalene; 2-Aminonaphthalene; Ammonia; Benzene; Benzo[a]pyrene; 1,3-Butadiene; Carbon monoxide; Crotonaldehyde; Formaldehyde; Isoprene; Total nicotine; NNK (4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone); NNN (N-nitrosonornicotine); Toluene)

c) HPHCs in tobacco filler (Ammonia; Arsenic; Cadmium; Total nicotine; NNN; NNK)

d) Tar (nicotine-free dry particulate matter)

e) Cigarette circumference

f) Cigarette draw resistance

g) Cigarette length

h) Cigarette mass

i) Cigarette nominal diameter

j) Filter density

k) Filter length

l) Filter pressure drop

m) Filter ventilation amount

n) Air permeability

o) Tobacco filler mass

p) Tobacco filler moisture content

q) Tobacco filler pH

r) Tobacco rod length

It just looks like they are trying to make a 'better', standard cigarette. Perhaps once their experiment is over, they will tell tobacco companies their cigarettes must conform to their 'better' one.

 

[Train2]

Every danged day, I hear about something that makes me REALLY ANGRY about the fact that they do this crap with MY tax money.

 

[stevegmu]

Every danged day, I hear about something that makes me REALLY ANGRY about the fact that they do this crap with MY tax money.

I've given up and don't care anymore. Most of my tax money will be wasted on silly projects and redundant, inefficient agencies and departments. Nothing I can do about it, so why stress over it.
There's a reason why some of the wealthiest counties and cities in the US surround Washington, DC.

 

[AgentAnia]

[....]It just looks like they are trying to make a 'better', standard cigarette. Perhaps once their experiment is over, they will tell tobacco companies their cigarettes must conform to their 'better' one.

I've been pondering this all afternoon, and what stevegmu says ^^^ is pretty much what I concluded. Damn, I'm so effing glad I don't smoke any more.

By my count, we are now at over $100 million that the FDA has earmarked for "tobacco research/'regulatory science'" in the past month.

 

[stevegmu]

If it weren't for the 'shutdown' they may have allocated $150million...

 

[Petrodus]

If it weren't for the 'shutdown' they may have allocated $150million...

If we're extremely lucky ...
The people will realize how much of Big Government is non-essential to our every day life.

Of Course Washington ... both sides of the isle, wouldn't want us to realize it

 

[Racehorse]

Most of my tax money will be wasted on silly projects and redundant, inefficient agencies and departments. Nothing I can do about it, so why stress over it.
There's a reason why some of the wealthiest counties and cities in the US surround Washington, DC.

Actually, there is something you can do, and one which will have a positive effect on your whole community.

Write grants. Smart communities get their tax money BACK in the form of colleges, community swimming pools and parks, hospitals, running and biking trails, money for their volunteer fire departments, health and dental clincis. etc. etc.

Other people just complain. (definitely not directed at you Steve, just thought I'd bring that up since it is important....)

Grant writing is hard work though, esp. federal and state grants. Be prepared to put in the hours. Money is not *free*.

I live in a town of 5,000 people. The quality of life is pretty durn good, we have all those things I mentioned above. That is because there are people willing to sit down and write grants. If your local community college doens't have grantwriting classes, get some movers and shakers to give one.

By the way, the REASON some of the communities around Wash DC have good stuff is precisely because they have a lot of people who know how to write. And many of them have turned those skills to grant writing.

So, there is something we can do, if you want to pull tax $$ back into your communities.

The people will realize how much of Big Government is non-essential to our every day life.

well obviously, I don't agree.

I see that you are from MO, and I know people tend not to like regulation there, as I am in Arkansas and they are similar in many respects...........however, since I work in animal rescue, I know MO has the worst animal protection laws in the US, and are still one of the top 5 offenders for worst "puppy mills."

Regulation will come though, and it won't be too soon AFAIC. Government intereference isnecessary, since people left to their own devices just don't seem to want to do the right thing unless there are laws and regulations dictating to them that they should..